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They are in our schools and classrooms making a big difference every single day.

On this episode of the Supercast, what it means to participate in the Utah PTA and why our schools simply wouldn’t be the same without these incredible parent volunteers.


Audio Transcription

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supecast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. They are in our schools and classrooms making a big difference every single day. On this episode of the Supercast, what it means to participate in PTA and why our schools simply wouldn't be the same without these incredible parent volunteers.

We're here at the Utah PTA offices talking with two members of the Executive Committee. I'm gonna let them introduce themselves, and then we're gonna talk about PTA.

Stacey Mollinet:
Hi, I'm Stacey Mollinet. I'm the President of Utah PTA, and I live in Layton.

LeAnn Wood:
I'm LeAnn Wood, I'm the Advocacy Vice President, and I live in Kaysville.

Anthony Godfrey:
I am also on the Executive Committee. I've served as the Administrator Representative, and I love being a part of it. And I have to say I'm blown away at the time that you put in the dedication and the knowledge. You guys know so much about what's going on in the state, and it's been really exciting for me to be part of it. Stacey, start off just talking about what got you involved in PTA, kind of your PTA journey.

Stacey Mollinet:
I just wanted to be involved with my kids at their school. I just wanted to volunteer in the classroom, help out, help enhance their education, and along the way I got to know their teachers. I found out that I was helping more than just my own child, and I got to know the administration, and I just really liked being in the schools.

Anthony Godfrey:
How about you, LeAnn?

LeAnn Wood:
Well, I'm a little bit more selfish than that. I had a son on the autism spectrum and didn't know it at the time. He started school and we had a lot of issues, and I found that through PTA I could get some parent training if I was to volunteer, and I needed all the help I could get. And so I volunteered in order to get some parent training. And along the way, I just found a community of people who really wanted to reach out and help others and cared about children. And so it helped my child, and then it turned into hoping to help thousands of children over the last 25 years.

Anthony Godfrey:
And you're right, you really do get to know a ton of great people when you become involved with PTA at the school level, at the region level, and at the state level. And the state level is why I'm here talking with you. First of all, most people don't even realize that there is a state office, like there's an actual building. I didn't realize that until I was on the committee and came by. Tell us a little bit about the office, where it is and, and how long it's been here.

Stacey Mollinet:
Yeah. We're at 53rd South exit just off of I-15. We used to have a building on South Temple that was previously owned by David O. McKay, and that building got too small. The parking wasn't very good, it was a little bit leaky and whatever, so we traded it in about 20 years ago. So we've been here at 53rd South for about 20 years and, and we own the building outright, so we don't have the expenses of rent or anything like that.

Anthony Godfrey:
One of the things that has stood out to me as I've attended conventions over the years is this idea that when PTA works together, PTA can accomplish things that families may not be able to accomplish on their own, or schools may not be able to accomplish on their own. So there's a synergy when everyone works together. What are some of the positive outcomes you've seen from the work that PTA does in the schools?

LeAnn Wood:
I think that really leads to the Mission of PTA, which is to empower and engage families and communities to advocate for every child. And so when our parents understand the needs of the school, and I think it first starts with what are the needs of our children, and then it expands from there. When they work with a principal and say, ‘What are the true needs of our children here in this school?’ and then they can add on to it. So do they need to increase reading scores? Okay, how can we do that? Do we do it through a book night? Do we get books in the hands of every child? Do we have a reading night? Do we teach parents how to better connect with their children when reading to them to get them skills? And so I think it's looking at what the needs are and then how can PTA fill in those gaps through our volunteerism, through our community efforts.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's great. I think part of what happens is that there's a sense of community that's built through PTA and without a sense of community education doesn't really work. So I really can't imagine doing it without PTA and without the support of parents. Tell me about the organization at the state level. I think a lot of people may not understand exactly how that works.

Stacey Mollinet:
Okay. Well, we have an Executive Committee with a President, President-Elect, Treasurer, Secretary, and Director of Membership, Director of Leadership, Director of Communications, Admin Rep, Teacher Rep. And all of these people work together. Advocacy Vice President,Region Vice President, all these people work together. We have Region Directors that represent every school district in the state. And we have commissioners. And the commissioners do tons of advocacy and bring resources to the parents. And we meet and train a lot. We do a lot of advocacy, and LeAnn can talk more about that. We bring these resources and this training to the local parents at each of the local schools.

Anthony Godfrey:
I think that one of the huge advantages of having PTA involved is that there's so much support. There's so much training. I've called you a couple of times, Stacey, on some issues, and every time the PTA President that we were working with had great training and knew exactly what to do. So it's a comfort to me as a Superintendent to know that there are these trainings and resources available for parents and for those who are officers in PTA. And I think that one of the great things is that there's just so much help out there for you. Now, you mentioned advocacy. We received in Utah an advocacy award on a national level. Tell me about that. LeAnn.

LeAnn Wood:
Well, one of our commissioners sent in an application and wanted people to nominate us and let them know what we were doing at the state level. And some of the things that he recognized as he shared our story was that we had helped, through a campaign, keep the nicotine levels and e-cigarettes at a very low percentage to help prevent substance abuse through our youth. And we were a big part of that in the state. Another thing he wanted to recognize through us, we actually got a resolution through the legislature last year to celebrate 125 years of PTA. This organization started in 1897, and we actually had two or three women from Salt Lake at that meeting in Washington DC that were there to start. Through the advocacy efforts at the national level, we have our juvenile justice laws, we have our hot lunch program, we have kindergarten. So for 125 years, this organization has sustained looking at what are the needs of our children. And so we just continue that work. So it was exciting to be recognized.

We put in a lot of hours. We have seven commissioners who are up at the capital throughout the entire session, and they're following bills that we advocate in terms of the whole child; safety, health, individual development, education. We have a legislative advocacy committee. We had over 40 parents sitting in a weekly meeting throughout the session last year, in the last spring session. Every week for two hours, over 40 parents listening to what bills were going to impact children and determining our positions on those bills. And so it was really this across the state effort of looking at what's happening and what are the decisions being made by our legislators or our school board members, and how can we make sure that the best things are happening for children. And so it was exciting that we got recognized for the work that we do.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, congratulations. It's well deserved. I've watched you, as Advocacy Vice President, do a ton of great work at the state level. There's a lot of behind the scenes work that happens, and that's partially why I wanted to do this is so that people could see just some of the work that goes into providing that support. And I love the combination that PTA provides. There's great support at the state and national level for the work that you do. For running the finances to making sure that you're having an impact at your school. And then at the same time, the real impact is at the local school level as well. So there are all these different levels of which you can make an impact.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back more on the positive impact of PTA and information about a big statewide PTA event that is expected to attract hundreds.

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Anthony Godfrey:
PTA's very positive. How does PTA help parents address concerns they may have at the school level?

LeAnn Wood:
PTA really promotes positive parent engagement. It's going through the right processes and having parents understand when I have an issue, who do I go to? You know, finding that solution closest to the problem. So we don't need a law if there's a problem in a classroom, we need a conversation with a teacher or principal.

Anthony Godfrey:
So I want to talk a little bit about the local level. Sometimes people are afraid that if they get involved in PTA, they're gonna suddenly be the president. What advice do you have for people who may be a little bit too hesitant to get involved at the local level?

Stacey Mollinet:
We need people with all time abilities, whether they can just join and not even help, or whether they can join and help just a little bit, or whether they can eventually become the president. And just because you join PTA doesn't mean you're gonna be the president of PTA. There's just a need for parents to get involved to know what's going on in their classrooms and with their students. Joining doesn't mean that you have to even volunteer, but we'd love to have volunteers. We need parents to be involved in their students' lives and in their classrooms.

Anthony Godfrey:
If you join, you don't have to volunteer. And if you volunteer, you don't have to be president. Even though the two of you started out small, as you described, nobody dragged you kicking and screaming to be the Utah State PTA President. That happens only by your own free will. So nobody's gonna force you into anything, but like you demonstrated, it does get pretty addictive when you see the impact that you can have.

Stacey Mollinet:
Yeah. It is so cool to be in there and see the aha moments of the kids as you're helping them with their times tables or you're helping them read a book. That's what's addictive, is coming back and helping again.

Anthony Godfrey:
I have had the chance throughout my life to see the impact of PTA. It's incredible. I went to a jog-a-thon just a couple of weeks ago, and it brought parents together. It brought students together. I got to have an Otter pop after the jog-a-thon. But more than anything, it raised money. It pulled people together. The way it was formatted, you were supposed to think of a hero that you're running for. I mean, it was great. There were so many great layers to the activity. And I still have the PTA award that I got when I was, I think six years old for a story that I wrote. It was printed out with a ditto machine. Many listeners won't know what that is. I'm not going to explain it to you. But it's been a positive impact for a long time. And I love the idea that you can just sign up. Anything you can do at any level is going to help. And if you do volunteer, it can just be one time or a little bit here and there. Just whatever you can do at the local level.

LeAnn Wood:
I think also just the membership gives you access to information. I remember talking to a teacher. I was at an event on a Saturday and I had been putting out some weekly updates of the session of education bills that were coming out. And this teacher commented, ‘Thank you so much for that information. You know, when I'm in the classroom, I really can't keep track of what's going on up at the capitol. So your weekly updates have just helped me understand what bills are going to impact students, what bills are going to impact teachers.’ And there's another teacher at this event, and she said, ‘Well, I haven't gotten that update. How do I get that update?’ And I said, ‘Well, what school are you at?’ It happened to be a non PTA school. And I said, ‘Oh, you know, I'm sorry. I don't have access to your teachers. I don’t have access. So I'm sending it to those people who are PTA members.’ And so I think it gives information that they are kind of being left out of just by being a member. You have access to great things that are happening across the state through our community partners. We have commissioners that I think, I counted up, were on over 35 committees statewide in areas of substance abuse, mental health protections. You know, all those things that you think, ‘oh, our kids are struggling with right now.’ We have someone that's got a seat at the table to talk about how we can help kids in that manner.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's fantastic. There is a lot of great information if you're a member. So if, if someone isn't a member, what do they need to do to sign up?

Stacey Mollinet:
They can just go to utahpta.org/join, and there's a link there, and they can join their local PTA. They can contact their school, their office and ask how they can join or how they can get involved. And joining PTA is not just for moms. Some people think it's just for moms. But dads and grandparents also can join PTA and can get involved. Getting dads to come in the school, even just one day during the year, really makes a big impact on kids.

Anthony Godfrey:
Statistically, there is research that if dads show up at school, it makes a big impact for their child. I think that sometimes people maybe think too narrowly about what's happening with PTA. You mentioned it earlier, LeAnn, and you talked about it as well, Stacey. Just the breadth of things that are happening even at the school level, reading nights and books. It's not just about a fundraiser. There are so many things that are available to students because of PTA. Any number of times as a principal, I thought, ‘Okay, PTA, that's the way I can get help with this.’

LeAnn Wood:
I think another myth is sometimes I get told with my advocacy efforts, you know, stay in your lane. Meaning, you know, you're in your school only on education and our lane is children. And so whatever that means. So whether it's arts programs, whether it's, you know, substance abuse prevention, that is our lane, right? If it's going to help children, that's our lane.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, and that's what I have learned, especially since I've been involved at the state level, just how much work is done more broadly to help support children and support families. So congratulations on the award and on the great work that you've been doing behind the scenes because I know people are not thanking you enough for that. Speaking of advocacy, we have an event coming up that PTA members can be involved in that can really jumpstart advocacy efforts. So tell us about that, LeAnn.

LeAnn Wood:
All right. So on November 9th from 9:00-2:00, and it's actually being held here in Jordan School District, so we're excited. Thank you for offering your building up. They'll be at Mountain Ridge High School. We have our Annual Advocacy Conference. It's held every fall. And the thing I love about this conference is our commissioners have been attending all these meetings throughout the year, with our community partners, interim at the legislature, and they see what are the most critical needs of Utah's children right now. And then we bring in speakers and presenters to help parents understand what those needs are and maybe offer some solutions.

So our theme for this year is Strong Families Build Strong Students. And we know with research, when you have an engaged family, we have children who are in school, they're more likely to graduate, they have fewer absences, they have higher grades. Everything is better when our parents and our educators are working together. So if we can focus on Strong Families Build Strong Students, we're super excited.

We have two keynote speakers. I don't know if you're familiar with BYU TV's Relative Race. We have J.D. Barnes who was a contestant on that reality TV show. They take DNA and then they connect them to family they didn't know they had. And so here he never knew his biological family, and it was a way to connect to family members. And so he's going to talk about overcoming challenges through family connections, past and present. So talking about the family he grew up in and the new family he's met and how that has helped him in his life.

And then we have Dr. Ali Crandall from BYU coming. She's going to talk about what are ACEs, which are Adverse Childhood Experiences, and then what are Counter ACEs? So those things that we can kind of combat. We all have trauma in our life, you know, maybe it's little, maybe it's huge, but our children deal with things on a day to day basis. And so those are kind of those traumatic experiences. But what can we do? What preventions can we put in place in our families to help combat when bad things happen? And, you know, we've had the last two years, bad things happen, but how can we make them more resilient? How can we set them up for success? So I'm really excited about those two speakers.

And then we have six breakout sessions that people can choose from; Building Strong Families Through Family Engagement, Digital Wellness, Different Community Resources, Mental Health Strategies, Utah Education Standards. You know, when you're down at the kitchen table, do you know what your children are supposed to be learning? And can you talk to them about that? And then through Positive Civic Engagement. I know where we're in an election, how do we get our kids understanding the importance of voting when they become adults to becoming an educated voter. So I'm super excited and everyone's invited, it's not just for PTA members. It's $15, lunch is included, and I think it'll be a great day and you'll learn a lot.

Anthony Godfrey:
$15 with lunch included is a bargain to say the least. How do people sign up?

LeAnn Wood:
Just through utahpta.org. They go on there, It's right on our front page, and they can click the register button.

Anthony Godfrey:
What's the deadline for registration?

LeAnn Wood:
November 3rd.

Anthony Godfrey:
So almost right up to the event you can still sign up. So get signed up. It's gonna be a great event. PTA never does anything halfway, so it's gonna be awesome.

LeAnn Wood:
And there will be a virtual option. We're working on that. But if you can't come down to Herriman, it's a little far away for some of our outskirts, for $5 you can have access to the classes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Fantastic. Well, thank you very much for taking the time today and for all the hard work you do to elevate families, elevate children, and to help schools be at their best.

Stacey Mollinet:
Thanks.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, education is the most important thing you'll do today. We'll see you out there.

They are the driving force behind keeping a fleet of 276 Jordan District school buses running safely and smoothly.

On this National School Bus Safety Week, meet the mechanics. They are men and women who work behind the scenes, under the hood, examining engines, testing brakes, inspecting tires, even repairing upholstery on some of the largest vehicles on the roadway.

Find out how our amazing mechanics work day and night, in some of the worst weather conditions, to keep kids safe on the school bus.


Audio Transcription

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. They are the driving force behind keeping a fleet of 276 Jordan School District school buses running safely and smoothly. It's National School Bus Safety Week, so we are going to take you to meet the mechanics. They are men and women who work behind the scenes under the hood, examining engines, testing brakes, inspecting tires, even repairing upholstery on some of the largest vehicles on the roadway. Find out how our amazing mechanics work day and night in some of the worst weather conditions to keep kids safe on the school bus.

We're here with Richard Birrell, the shop foreman here at Transportation, where maintenance is done on all of our school buses. Richard, thanks for taking some time.

Richard Birrell:
You're welcome. Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
This is one of the jobs where people say, ‘Hey, what do you guys do all summer?’ There's a ton of work to be done in the summer to prepare for the school year and close out the previous one. Tell me what your summers look like.

Richard Birrell:
Our summers are just playing catch up, and finishing up with their services. Right now we're in the middle of doing three engines, so we're doing complete overhauls on three of the buses right now. Spring jobs, break jobs, we're going through everything. We went through every bus this year to make sure everything's ready to go again.

Anthony Godfrey:
And there are a lot of safety requirements and expectations, timing of inspections and maintenance work.

Richard Birrell:
Yeah. We make sure all the safety is up on every vehicle here, if it's due for safety emissions or whatever. We've done our emissions this summer. We don't stop. We're busy all year long,

Anthony Godfrey:
So it's a lot of work. How many buses do we have in our fleet, would you say?

Richard Birrell:
274 as of right now.

Anthony Godfrey:
And we have a few of those that are natural gas vehicles, right?

Richard Birrell:
114 of them.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me about the maintenance of a natural gas vehicle versus a traditional engine.

Richard Birrell:
The only real difference is, they're basically the same engine, other than a natural gas has a set of spark plugs, so we have to do service on spark plugs. But other than that, turbochargers diesel is controlled by intake heat pressure and natural gas is controlled by gasoline, which would be a spark plug fire type situation. So the service on those is a little bit more, every 30,000 miles, but not bad.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how many people are there on your staff to maintain all those buses?

Richard Birrell:
We're nine right now.

Anthony Godfrey:
Nine of you?

Richard Birrell:
Nine of us.

Anthony Godfrey:
That is a large bus to employee ratio?

Richard Birrell:
Yes, we are one short of what we're supposed to have.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now is most of the work that you do maintenance, I assume, but there are some emergencies that happen as well?

Richard Birrell:
We do everything in this shop short of transmission work. We do body work, we do engines, we rebuild our own engines. We do frame up, we do springs, We do everything in here.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. Nine people.

Richard Birrell:
Nine people. I have certain people like this guy that works on this bay right here. He does suspension work. He loves doing it. It's heavy work, but he loves it, so we just let him do it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Okay. Well, it's good to have some people who can specialize. Now, you've got a variety of types of buses also. Some buses that are designed to service those with special needs. And you have different different brands of buses as well, don't you?

Richard Birrell:
Correct. We have Blue Birds, Internationals, and Thomas's. We have special needs buses, which is one, like one behind you right here. Like I said, we have 114 natural gas buses. The rest are field trip diesels or pushers, which we call pushers, which is that size right there. We have three different brands. I have 18 years worth of seven different engines, 18 years worth of models on 'em. So we have a lot. We have to learn every year. Just like cars, they come out every year with new stuff on 'em. So yeah, we're constantly learning them.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow, that sounds extremely complicated.

Richard Birrell:
We have to be able to know what we're doing so we can teach the drivers what they're doing.

Anthony Godfrey:
Right. Yeah, exactly. What is the toughest job in the shop here?

Richard Birrell:
Right now? Just maintaining the fleet.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

Richard Birrell:
Just constantly keeping up on with what drivers are going on and constantly making sure things that need to come in here are getting in here and getting back out on the road.

Anthony Godfrey:
What are the hours during the school year? The hours of operation?

Richard Birrell:
We work from 5:30 in the morning till 5:30 at night. I have two crews, an early shift crew and a late shift crew. Early shift comes at 5:30 and they go home at 2:00, and my late shift comes in at 8:30 and they go home at 5:00. Then I have two lead mechanics that hang out till 5:30.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. You really cover the day.

Richard Birrell:
And I fill in all the blanks that are missing.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. And I know those blanks do come up. Wow. It's just really incredible the work that you have ahead of you for a small group. I am not mechanically inclined. So just looking at this engine right here seems very, very complex. And this is a unique kind of lift. This has gotta be a lift that's made specifically for school buses.

Richard Birrell:
Well, they make it for trucks and everything else. They're 18,000 pounds a piece. That's what their weight lift ability is. But because we have flat floors in here, this is the way we go with it. The new building put the inground lifts in.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, I see.

Richard Birrell:
They're all tied in together. So you just push one button and then they all raise at the same time and they all lower at the same time.

Anthony Godfrey:
So there's basically one tower by each of the four wheels and you push a button.

Richard Birrell:
I can take it right here.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay.

Richard Birrell:
The power's on so I can raise it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, it leans in and lifts that bus.

Richard Birrell:
Leans in and picks the whole thing up at the same time.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's really something to see, huh?

Richard Birrell:
Well, it saves us. It saves a lot of time and effort on us.

Anthony Godfrey:
How much does a bus weigh?

Richard Birrell:
36,000 gvw’s on them.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow.

Richard Birrell:
Empty is about 24,000 a piece for 'em.

Anthony Godfrey:
Huh, interesting. How old are our oldest buses, would you say? You said that the grants are over about 17 years?

Richard Birrell:
Over 18 years. Because of the grants that we've gotten to buy natural gasses, we are at about 2008, 2009 is the oldest bus I have.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, those grants, when they come through, my understanding is you have to prove that the diesel bus is out of commission. You drill a hole through the engine.

Richard Birrell:
Yeah. We have to drill a three by three hole and we have to film it. So there's a three by three hole engine block, so it can't be resold, reused. We have to cut the frames in half, in the middle of the buses so the buses can no longer be used for frame worthy. So we have to film all that while we're doing, or after we do it, we film the whole thing and send it in. So, the bus can no longer be on the road. It has to be destroyed.

Anthony Godfrey:
So how long have you worked for Jordan School District?

Richard Birrell:
23 years now.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. And is this where you got started or did you work elsewhere as a mechanic?

Richard Birrell:
I worked through Thomas Lewis Transportation, selling Thomas school buses long before I came here. So I've been doing this about 33, 34 years now.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. Well, we're very glad to have you in Jordan District. It's a huge operation. Tell me, we're standing in the new transportation facility. It's been a couple of years now, but I've heard nothing but good things about the space that you now have to work in.

Richard Birrell:
We love this place here. We have 14 bays now total. So every mechanic has their own bay so they can get in and out by themselves. We're not in each other's way. We have plenty of room. We have a brand new welding shop in here so we can maintain and do our old welding, whatever we need to be done. We have a new paint booth, we have a body shop, we have a part-time body guy that takes care of that. And that’s a full-time job just taking care of that.

Anthony Godfrey:
Right? So the body shop and everything in between. Our previous facility was a lot smaller.

Richard Birrell:
We had a previous facility that was what they called the dome, or what we called the dome.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, it was the inflatable building.

Richard Birrell:
That’s correct. It was a lot smaller. Yes. When we worked in that, we had to coordinate moving all the buses in that we needed to work on, then moving everything out at the same time so we could concentrate back and forth. Because we only had one access door to get in and out of.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Now with one door and not enough bays for everybody, I'm sure a lot of time was just taken up moving buses around.

Richard Birrell:
It was. That's why I said we coordinated. When we’re ready to move, we need to move everything, including what's in the middle, to get it out. So they can get in and out of there. And then they bring another bus in, then we can slide back in again. It took a lot of coordination to do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Well that seems like a good set up. I see with the hood of the school bus up, I see those horns.

Richard Birrell:
Those are air horns.

Anthony Godfrey:
Those are serious air horns there.

Richard Birrell:
Yes, they are. They make a good noise out there.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us. When we come back, buckle up while we take you through a really big bus wash.

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Anthony Godfrey:
Can we walk by one of the bays and just see what that looks like?

Richard Birrell:
Some of the bus bays? Sure.

Anthony Godfrey:
How much oil do you go through in this place?

Richard Birrell:
Quite a bit. We order every 500 gallons, probably twice a month.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow.

Richard Birrell:
This bay here is done for my driver's ed vehicles, Suburbans, everything else. I have one mechanic dedicated strictly to this stuff. So he takes care of all driver’s ed vehicles and all the Suburbans we have.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now talk about hard miles. Those driver’s ed vehicles get some hard miles.

Richard Birrell:
They get a lot of damage to them.

Richard Birrell:
This is Kelly, one of my techs here.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hey Kelly, how are you doing?

Richard Birrell:
He's got a material list about a mile long on this one here. It started out with service, but he’s got a bunch of stuff going on with it too. So when they come into the shop here, when they're ready to go out the door, they're a hundred percent ready to go. Our philosophy here is, we have one more day to fix it if it takes that long because of what we haul everyday.

Anthony Godfrey:
You don't send it out until it’s totally ready.

Richard Birrell:
Nothing's rushed. Yep.

Anthony Godfrey:
What's the most common problem that you see coming through on a bus?

Richard Birrell:
We haven't lost as many alternators as we used to. Alternators used to be an issue. Because of the EPA stuff that's on these buses, the DPFs and DEF systems, regen systems on them, we deal with a lot nowadays. For an over the road vehicle that does Highway 60-65, it works really well, but for everybody that does stop and go all day long, us, UPS, you name it, it's hard on the system. So we spend a lot of time working on them. Other than that it's services for most of it. Parts, radio, we go through radios and stuff like that. Like I said, he's building an engine right now. Just about ready on that one.

Anthony Godfrey:
Let's walk over there.

Richard Birrell:
Exhaust system. This building was built because of the natural gas. The one we're working on natural gas. If you ever develop a leak, natural gas is lighter than air. Our vent system goes on top and these, all these doors open up to vent everything out.

Anthony Godfrey:
So if natural gas is leaking, then the building vents itself and reacts to that.

Richard Birrell:
Yeah. Right. Natural gas is lighter than air, so it always dissipates above the buses. So if you see a natural gas bus, and I don't have one in here to show you, there's always a vent tube on the top. It'll go up in the air. So our exhaust fans are going up there and every one of these doors will open up to take care of that. So the building was built that way to handle that.

Anthony Godfrey:
And it's important to note that we have enough buses that we can take our time on a bus and make sure that it's tiptop before it heads out of the garage. What would you say to parents and students?

Richard Birrell:
Our whole sole philosophy in this place is to make these buses as safe as possible to handle the kids that we handle every day. We know there's a lot of kids out there that we deal with. So our importance is safety on these buses.
Everybody asks us, do we take the summers off? No, we don't take the summers off.

Anthony Godfrey:
No. Summer's gotta be one of your busiest times.

Richard Birrell:
It is. Trying to get things back up.
I have my own upholster in here. She makes all our seat covers and stuff now. We just buy it in bulk and she makes everything in here.

Anthony Godfrey:
So I see those huge rolls of material. And then you've got boxes of various covers for different sized seats.

Richard Birrell:
Whatever fits your seat in here.

Anthony Godfrey:

What color is that? Like a slate gray? Is every seat the same color?

Richard Birrell:
They're all blue. Yeah, they're all blue. That's just inside of one. They all look like this on the inside.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. Then blue on the outside, huh?

Richard Birrell:
We try to keep everything as conformed as possible because we have a lot of stuff to do.

Anthony Godfrey:
So as much as you can reduce the variation it increases your ability to do the job.

Richard Birrell:
We keep her pretty busy in here.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. I'm sure that you do.

Richard Birrell:
This is Scott. This is my parts guy.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hi Scott.

Richard Birrell:
He spends half his life taking care of my problems.

Anthony Godfrey:
So how many different parts do we have coming through here, Scott?

Scott:
Thousands. I have thousands of parts every day. I do a lot.

Anthony Godfrey:
What's the toughest part to get these days?

Scott:
Tires.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, that's what Richard was saying.

Scott:
Tires are one of the most expensive items to get.

Anthony Godfrey:
Have they shot up in price?

Scott:
They have, yeah. They have. Steer tires run anywhere from $485 up to $500 each. That's why I recap 'em all of my front ones.

Anthony Godfrey:
So in addition to everything else we talked about, we have a shop that allows us to get everything we can out of every tire and every bus for as long as possible.

Richard Birrell:
We run a tire right now, we get an average of 60,000 miles on a tire, before they go bad on us. Then we'll send 'em out and get 'em recapped one time. Because usually by that time, the date on the tire's so old we can't recap 'em twice. If we recap a tire twice after that life cycle's done, the caps are sold to trucking industries or whoever would like to buy 'em. We don't run anything more than twice on these buses here.

Anthony Godfrey:
So you really make the most of everything we've got.

Scott:
Every mile. I license all the buses, I make sure they're all inspected. I do the fuel for the entire district. I see the fuel bill for the entire district, and I pay that.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's huge.

Richard Birrell:
That's extraordinary.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yes.

Scott:
That is extraordinary sometimes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. Wow. Well, thank you for everything you do and for staying on top of this very complex job.
All right. So we're walking into the paint, collision and wash area.

Richard Birrell:
So I have room in here that I can put two buses in at a time for the body side. We just brought one back this afternoon that got wrecked today. We were really hoping to make it through one day, but it is what it is.

Anthony Godfrey:
Day one.

Richard Birrell:
Day one. We have a complete paint booth that we do our own paint work in here.

Anthony Godfrey:
So just to clarify, it's just a little body work. Nobody's hurt.

Richard Birrell:
Nobody was hurt.

Anthony Godfrey:
What's the name of school bus yellow? Is it school bus yellow?

Richard Birrell:
There's actually 11 kinds of school bus yellow.

Anthony Godfrey:
11 kinds of school bus yellow?

Richard Birrell:
So we have to do some matching. Well they call it all school bus yellow, but there's different shades of it. So I can't tell you every one of the 11 shades, he probably could, but I can't tell. But there are 11 different shades of school bus yellow.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. All right. How about, I mean, isn't there like a fluorescent green you could order just to kind of mix things up a little bit?

Richard Birrell:
No, the federal government won't let me do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
So all right. They tell you. 11 yellows is the range. That's it. That's all we got. All right. Fair enough. Richard Birrell:
This is the bus watch facility, but be careful, that'll shut off.

Anthony Godfrey:
Did you start it up?

Richard Birrell:
I did, yeah. Walked past the eye. So the buses, they can come in here and pre-clean, wash the windshield, do everything they need to do. We don't let 'em clean the inside of their buses in here because we don't want to tie up. We have a lot of buses to get through here. They can come in pre-wash their windshields, backs and then go through the bus wash here.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. That is serious business. None of that would even touch my car as it drove through, except for the water. The brushes would be too far away.

Richard Birrell:
We've tried the cars and they don't work very well.

Anthony Godfrey:
It doesn't work in here.

Richard Birrell:
But it works great for the buses. And I got a guy in here that comes in the morning, opens this place up, makes sure everything's set up for the drivers, whatever they need. That door's unlocked during the daytime so they can come in here and get any kind of cleaning supplies they need in here to clean their buses every day. And then he'll come back in the afternoon to close it down.

Anthony Godfrey:
I have to compliment you on this, and I've walked through this place several times. It's always very clean and organized and orderly.

Richard Birrell:
Randy's a detailer. She's good at this.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Well, the whole shop looks great. Thanks very much for the tour. Thanks for taking the time. I know you're very busy. Thanks for keeping our kids safe and our buses on the road.

Richard Birrell:
Thank you. We do our best.

Anthony Godfrey:
You do great. Thank you very much.

Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, education is the most important thing you'll do today. We'll see you out there.

Claire Burnham has a pretty amazing story to tell, one Claire and her family won’t soon forget.

On this episode of the Supercast, meet the Bingham High School sophomore who is one of only 10 students in the nation selected to be a National Youth Storyteller at the Timpanogos Storytelling Festival. To make her story even more incredible, Claire was the opening act for professional storytellers, including the King of Storytelling, Master Storyteller Donald Davis.


Audio Transcription

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Claire Burnham has a pretty amazing story to tell, one Claire and her family won't soon forget. On this episode of the Supercast, meet the Bingham High School sophomore, who is one of only 10 students in the nation selected to be a national youth storyteller at the Timpanogos Storytelling Festival. To make her story even more incredible, Claire was the opening act for professional storytellers at the festival, including the King of Storytelling, Master storyteller Donald Davis. Find out how Claire's love of storytelling began and how her talent blossomed thanks to one teacher in elementary school.

We're talking today with Claire Burnham, a sophomore at Bingham High School, and a champion storyteller. Thanks for talking with me today.

Claire Burnham:
Thank you for having me. This is very exciting.

Anthony Godfrey:
So, for me too. So tell me, Timpanogos Storytelling Festival, that's where you most recently performed, is that right?

Claire Burnham:
Yes, it is.

Anthony Godfrey:
And I think a lot of people may not understand that storytelling is actually a competitive event. Is that right?

Claire Burnham:
Very.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me a bit about how that works, first of all, and then let's talk about how you got into it.

Claire Burnham:
Well, the competitiveness for the Timpanogos Storytelling Festival, I don't know the total number of youth in the country who did submit their audition tapes, but only 10 in the country were selected. So it was the best youth story tellers that they could possibly find. Which was very stressful when recording, knowing that this is me going up against some of the best of the best. But while we were there just before the festival and at the festival, there was no competitiveness between the 10 of us because we were just so excited to be there with people sharing similar passions and similar personalities. We had so much fun with each other and we just couldn't believe that we were with so many other talented people.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, tell me about some of those other talented people. There were 10 chosen from across the country. Where were some of them from?

Claire Burnham:
There were three from Texas. There was one from Florida and there was one from Arizona.

Anthony Godfrey:
Ah, interesting. So are there storytelling hotbeds in the country, like where there's a greater emphasis on it and you find more competition, or is it pretty much spread throughout the country?

Claire Burnham:
There is definitely a lot of concentration in the south. There are a lot of deep storytelling roots there. I believe the Appalachian, the Appalachian area. It's definitely where a sort of storytelling renaissance happened.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, so I would imagine that hanging out with nine other storytellers, there can be some really good conversations.

Claire Burnham:
Very long, in depth conversations, there were.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Without interrupting each other, because once you get on a story, you gotta let them get right to the end.

Claire Burnham:
Exactly. One of the starkest contrasts that I saw from before and after the storytelling festival was my conversations with my friends who are not storytellers. Because at the festival we would talk and we'd have a conversation. One of us would go on a tangent and tell a story, and then, so we would all listen and then we'd, one would be like, ‘Oh, that reminds me of this.’ And then she would tell a story and we would just tell stories and have long conversations. But when I got back I was like, ‘Why do all my friends give such short responses? I'm sure there was more to your experience in that. Tell me.’ They're like, ‘What are you doing, Claire?’

Anthony Godfrey:
So you get used to a deep level of detail that not all of your friends can provide.

Claire Burnham:
Definitely.

Anthony Godfrey:
And a narrative arc to the story as well.

Claire Burnham:
Most of the time. Other times we just, because we were from different states, a lot of the things we talked about were how different things were in different states. Part of it was the climate, the girl from Florida, she went hiking and she was like, ‘Why is the air so thin here?’ We're like, ‘You good?’

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Because we don't have humidity like she does.

Claire Burnham:
Exactly.

Anthony Godfrey:
And we're higher than she is.

Claire Burnham:
Yes. The people from Texas, they were definitely like, ‘It is extremely dry here. This is the seventh time I have put on Chapstick today.’

Anthony Godfrey:
That's fun. So tell me more about the festival itself. What did you perform at the festival?

Claire Burnham:
I performed my original story called the Joys of Apples. So all of the storytellers, we each had one story. The youth tellers each had one story. And on Friday and Saturday mornings, we would go and there were about five or so tents. And so about half of the storytellers, they would go and perform their stories in the tents, and they would open for the professional storytellers. There were about 12 of the professionals. So we got to interact with them a little bit. So we would tell our stories and then the professionals would tell their stories. And then we would basically just have the rest of the day to go around the rest of the festival and listen to more of the stories. Because the professionals, they each had many, many stories because they were performing many times. And so sometimes you had to pick and choose like, ‘Oh, I really want to go see Donald Davis. But man, Tim Lowry is so good.’ And you there was equal opportunity to still see all the storytellers you wanted to. With the Youth Tellers, it was a little harder to schedule seeing them cuz some of us were performing at the same time, but we still got the chance to hear everyone's amazing stories.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now I understand that you got to open for someone who's very well known in the storytelling world. Tell me about him.

Claire Burnham:
Yes, Donald Davis. Donald Davis is considered to be a sort of king of storytelling. I mentioned the renaissance of storytelling of sorts, in the Appalachians. And he was one of the main people, if not the main person who helped initiate that renaissance. So he is a masterful storyteller. He has an amazing southern accent and he's quite old. So he will tell stories from his childhood when things were just so different. And the way he tells it, it's exciting, it's funny, it's relatable. It most of the time has much deeper messages. So Donald Davis is quite the amazing storyteller, but I also have personal ties to him. When I was in third grade, he came to my school and he told us stories and he told us about storytelling. We got to ask all these questions. And I looked up at him and I was like, ‘Wow, I wanna do something like that.’ And so he was the person who initially helped start me on this journey of storytelling. To the point where I'm performing right alongside him in a national storytelling festival, which was, it was amazing! I need a better word than that. It was exhilarating!

Anthony Godfrey:
Amazing and exhilarating. That's pretty awesome and amazing that you came full circle to get to introduce the person who introduced you to storytelling.

Clarie Burnham:
Exactly.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, speaking of your early beginnings as a storyteller, we have Frankie Walton here who was your teacher at the time.

Claire Burnham:
Sixth grade teacher.

Anthony Godfrey:
So she kept the ball rolling for you after you got this initial interest in storytelling. Is that right?

Claire Burnham:
Yes, and it is due to my teachers that I was given so many opportunities to start storytelling. I was in third grade when Donald Davis came to my school, and it was the fourth graders who will often write stories and then as they perform them, the teachers will choose the best ones. And then they went to kind of like a district competition so that they could showcase those stories. But me, as a third grader my teacher saw that I might be good at this, so she let me write a story and work with the fourth graders to give it. And then in fourth grade, obviously I was able to tell more stories. And my fifth grade teacher thought that that was great, so I could show the little fourth graders how it was done. And then my sixth grade teacher Mrs. Walton was able to give me the opportunity to do it again. So that was the last year that I was able to perform that particular district wide storytelling showcase. But the company that does it, Story Crossroads, I have worked with ever since.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. That's quite an origin story. Stay with us when we come back. Meet the teacher who inspired Claire's passion and success in storytelling.

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Anthony Godfrey:
Mrs. Walton, tell me a little bit about what you remember about Claire as a storyteller. Way back when.

Frankie Walton:
I think the thing that I remember most about Claire is her passion and her beautiful way that she expresses language. She was a fantastic writer, and so I knew right off the bat that she would be able to deliver her story in a way that would be meaningful to all of us. And I hadn't originally planned on doing the program of storytelling in my classroom, but when Claire came to me and said, ‘I really want to do this’, she ignited a fire in me to give an opportunity to my entire class to do it. And so I was grateful to Claire because she brought her passion to our entire class and to me as well. I'll never forget her standing up in the room, and on audio I can't give it justice, but she put her hands up in the air, kind of like jazz hands, and she just said, ‘Mind blown’. And in that moment, my mind was blown because I saw her talent and her passion and was so excited to see what she was going to do in the future with this talent.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, that's what great teaching is all about. It's seeing that spark, seeing something in a student and providing those opportunities for them. So thank you for, for being that person for Claire. Tell me what was it like in the classroom? What benefits did you see for your students once you opened this up to your entire class?

Frankie Walton:
For me, it was really easy to attach storytelling to our curriculum and to the core and the standards. Because storytelling is a way in which you can communicate an idea that opens up doors and windows to other people. And so I was able to see them go full circle with the written word into verbal communication. It was just an easy way to get students engaged and interested in something that they weren't necessarily engaged and interested in to start with.

Anthony Godfrey:
And storytelling is very natural for humans. We like to click into that mode of storytelling a lot and stories are compelling and can be persuasive and change our minds about things, but also make us test our own thinking as we're telling the story to someone else. So I think that's a great skill for sixth graders.

Frankie Walton:
Absolutely. Oftentimes they're shy, and nervous about their social standing and I saw many, many students blossom and just take it in a direction that all of a sudden, they became little humans with so much talent that I hadn't seen before. So it was a wonderful opportunity and I'm very blessed to be able to continue working through the Gifted and Talented department in providing this opportunity for all students in our district.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, tell me what that looks like.

Frankie Walton:
So we, in the Gifted and Talented department, sponsor the festival, or not festival, sponsor the Story Weavers competition each year in the spring. And any teacher in elementary grades 3-6 can participate. They just have their students write a story. Most often it's a tall tale or a fable or a fractured fairy tale, something along those lines. They put their little spin on a traditional story. And then the teacher provides the opportunity for the student to then perform that story and to practice that story. And we encourage them to perform it to each other, to other classes in the school, to parents, to anybody they can get their hands on to tell their story to. They have a class competition or a schoolwide competition, and then, the best speakers and storytellers are then invited to participate in a district showcase.

It's not really a competition. Everyone who participates is featured and celebrated, but we don't really compete for first, second, third. One of the things that's really helpful for our students is that we have adult judges there at our showcase, and those judges are always providing feedback to the students so that they can improve in their storytelling. And we are just so thrilled often to have our students showcase their talents and be able to do it in such a way that's beneficial to each of us, because we get to hear their stories and we laugh and we cry, and we just enjoy being with them and seeing how wonderful these young people truly are.

Claire Burnham:
I’ve got mine hanging on my walls. I look at them when I'm writing for school. I look at the feedback that I got when writing in school and I'm like, ‘Yeah, these judges thought that I was good so I can write this paper.’

Anthony Godfrey:
So the feedback continues to give you a boost and give you some confidence as you go into each new performance.

Claire Burnham:
Precisely.

Anthony Godfrey:
Sounds as if Claire has created a lot of opportunities for many students years after she first got interested in storytelling.

Frankie Walton:
Absolutely. So many of our programs are designed in such a way that the students that are coming up behind them can look to them and see the good things that they do. And Claire has absolutely inspired many, many people.

Anthony Godfrey:
What's next for you and what do you see into the future as a storyteller?

Claire Burnham:
Well, being in the storytelling festival was absolutely a wonderful, incredible experience and I really hope that I can get to do it again. I'm actually already starting to brainstorm a little bit about what story I will use to audition with next time, because it is definitely something I wish to do again. But as for what is next, I plan on using the skills that I learned in my everyday life. Storytelling definitely makes even average life better. It's helped me to have better conversations with my friends. I'm pretty sure it will definitely help me to have the confidence and eloquence that I need in job interviews that I may have upcoming.

Anthony Godfrey:
I have no doubt of that. I think you'll do great.

Claire Burnham:
Thank you. Storytelling also can help with acting and acting helps with storytelling. Sure. I definitely love being an actress. That's one of the reasons why I use a lot of expression and movements in my storytelling.

Anthony Godfrey:
I have no doubt you're going to be very successful in whatever you choose and that this will help you because as you said, it's helpful in a lot of aspects of life and day to day life. Which brings me to talking with your mom, who's also here. We have Jet Burnham here to tell us what it's like having a child who can tell stories as well as Claire can.

Jet Burnham:
It's very entertaining. When I ask her about school, it's not a,’ it was fine.’ I get a, I don't know, 40 minute explanation of what she said and what he did and what it smelled like and what it sounded like. Yeah. Her descriptions are long and detailed.

Anthony Godfrey:
I think there are a lot of parents who would really like to hear that kind of report on the school day instead of one word and a nod.

Jet Burnham:
That's true. I have other kids who only give me that, but I only have so many hours in the day, so sometimes I ask her for the five minute version instead of the 50 minute version.

Claire Burnham:
And that is when I learned to talk very fast.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, yes. So she limits your time. You still try to get all the information in. If you can.

Claire Burnham:
You can't just cut down the intricate day to day life of what exactly happened in Secondary Math Honors III.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, just a heads up, we are going to have to edit some of this interview either that or make it a three parter.

Claire Burnham:
I'm good with that.

Anthony Godfrey:
Which I appreciate because it's very nice to talk with someone who can speak to a topic so easily. Any advice for those who are considering looking at storytelling as a hobby?

Claire Burnham:
Many people look at storytelling and think, ‘Oh, I could never do that’. At the festival, there were people who came up to me, they were like, ‘Wow, that was so amazing. I could never do that.’ And I just think you are telling a sort of story right now. Storytelling. It's looking at life and yes, embellishing a little, just being able to talk about it. Whether that's your own life or the life of some fictional character or the life of some tortoise and some hare. One of my favorite quotes that I heard at the Storytelling Festival, and it has stuck with me ever since I heard it, was that we need more storytelling because stories turn people into human beings. And if you just want to tell a story, do it, tell a story. It doesn't matter if you trip up on your words a little, that makes it even better. It adds more human layers to the story.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, thanks for spending the time and congratulations on the medal that you're wearing from the Timpanogos Storytelling Festival. And I know you have lots of great stories in your future.

Claire Burnham:
Thank you so much.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of The Supercast. Remember, education is the most important thing you'll do today. We'll see you out there.

He is a kind, compassionate and caring special education teacher by day. However, when he’s not in the classroom, this teacher is in the weight room defying normal human strength with his deadlifting abilities.

On this episode of the Supercast, meet Sheldon Russell. An incredible teacher and world record holder in powerlifting weight lifting. Find out how Sheldon has defied the odds in life and is inspiring others around him every day.


Audio Transcription

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. He is a kind, compassionate, and caring special education teacher by day. However, when he's not in the classroom, this teacher is in the weight room defying normal human strength with his deadlifting abilities. On this episode of the Supercast, meet Sheldon Russell, an incredible teacher and world record holder in deadlift weightlifting. Find out how Sheldon has defied the odds in life and is inspiring others around him every day.

We’re here at West Jordan High School with Sheldon Russell to talk about a world record that he holds. Sheldon, thanks for taking time.

Sheldon Russel:
Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now first, let's talk about you as a teacher and educator in Jordan District. Tell us a bit about your career.

Sheldon Russell:
Well, I've been all over the place and I did some administration for a while, did teaching special ed, and I decided to go back to doing what I love, special ed. I'm a lot older than I look. I've got a few years left and I thought I'd finish doing what I love to do.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's great. And tell us about your current teaching assignment.

Sheldon Russell:
I teach Life Skills at West Jordan High School. High school students with intellectual disabilities, autism, multiple disabilities. It can be challenging, but it's fun.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's hard to come by Life Skills teachers. Explain to those who may not know what a Life Skills class is, what's involved.

Sheldon Russell:
We work on a lot of functional skills. So there's kids that may need help with reading or writing or math. My students need help in all facets of their life. So they will have some sort of dependence on people for the remainder of their life. Our job is to help them become as independent as possible. Some kids, we're working on writing numbers, other kids were working on finishing their math homework. But we deal with students with autism, down syndrome. We have kids with physical disabilities and impairments, hearing impairments, vision impairments. It's kind of a challenge, but like I said, I enjoy it.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how many students are served in this support classroom?

Sheldon Russell:
Okay, so we have 24 students in our support classroom and we have two teachers in there and we have some assistants that help us out as well.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's a really important program. And you have peer tutors I assume as well.

Sheldon Russell:
We do. Peer tutors come and help throughout the day, and they do a journal each week, and it's interesting reading what they write. And I've found this in my life, not only in my life, but I've noticed it with these kids. I'm an educator, but I get paid to learn every day. Working with kids like this gives you a lot of perspective on what life is really all about. So yes, I'm an educator, but I consider myself a professional student right now because I'm taught about life and perspective every day.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's true for the peer tutors that get to be part of your class as well. It's a really important program. Yes, the peer tutors are there to help the students who are in the support classroom and need the help, but I think they learn a lot about life, a lot of perspective. And develop some deep friendships themselves.

Sheldon Russell:
Absolutely. I see some kids that have their own challenges as peer tutors themselves, but they come in our room and it brings out the best in them, and they learn a lot about life. And this is my little plug for anyone who wants to go into special education. I tell all my peer tutors. It's a good field to be in.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, absolutely. And wonderful things happen in our support classrooms in Jordan District. We've done a couple of Supercast episodes in support classrooms, so thank you for filling that role and taking care of those kids that need it the very most.

Sheldon Russell:
You're welcome.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now let's talk about your hobby. It's hard to call it a hobby when you have reached these types of heights with a world record. How did you get started in weightlifting and when?

Sheldon Russell:
I was seven years old. My mother started dating my stepfather and he was actually a body building promoter.

Anthony Godfrey:

A Body building promoter?

Sheldon Russell:
Yes, he was back in the day.

Anthony Godfrey:
You were seven and what did he tell you? It's too late almost, but let's see if we can get you started?

Sheldon Russell:
Yeah, kind of. Actually, everyone was a big Arnold Schwarzenegger fan back in the early eighties. And I watched Conan the Barbarian and I thought he was the coolest guy in the world. I even grew my hair out long when I was in the fifth grade and my dad called me Little Arnold. So I picked up a weight at seven years old and then I never stopped.

Anthony Godfrey:
And he was here to pump you up?

Sheldon Russell:
Exactly. That's right.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. You picked up, what size weight did you pick up when you were seven?

Sheldon Russell:
When I was seven, I had a little hollow bar with little five pound cement plates on each side. And my dad put me through a little exercise routine and then I just, once I hit about 15, I started going heavy. And I've done it for 40 years now. So I did powerlifting. I don't know if you remember those days.

Anthony Godfrey:
I do.

Sheldon Russell:
I do powerlifting. Excuse me, bodybuilding. And I got sick of eating chicken, broccoli and brown rice six or seven times a day. So I was always strong and I always thought I'd compete in the bench press. But I had a friend who got me into, he says, ‘Hey, come, come pull with me.’ And I go and pull with him and the first time we pull together, I pull 600 pounds. He says, ‘Hey, you should compete.’ And then the rest is history. I've been competing solid for three years straight now, and we've done quite a bit. There's more than one world record, but.

Anthony Godfrey:
More than one world record. I was selling you short. Tell me exactly what is a deadlift? It sounds like zombies are involved. But what is, what is an actual deadlift?

Sheldon Russell:
Well, you feel like you're gonna die when you lift it for sure. But you basically go down to the ground and you basically straight arms, and pull the weight up and stand up with it.

Anthony Godfrey:
So these are the guys who lean over or crouch down, pull up the weights and you just have to stand with the weight. And then you drop it to the ground.

Sheldon Russell:
You do not drop it to the ground.

Anthony Godfrey:
You don't drop to the ground.

Sheldon Russell:
You can while you're training.

Anthony Godfrey:
I always drop it to the ground when I'm deadlifting.

Sheldon Russell:
You don't drop it to the ground or the lift doesn't count. So you have to put it back down on the ground. So you pull it up, wait for the judge to wave his hand down, and then you put it down on the ground.

Anthony Godfrey:
So he has to show that you got it high enough.

Sheldon Russell:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
For long enough. And then you set it back down. So tell me, is putting it back down harder than it looks?

Sheldon Russell:
After you've strained yourself? Sometimes, yes. The first time I ever deadlifted 700 pounds was in training and I tweaked my back doing it, but it was still awesome. But I tweaked it, putting it down on the ground.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, when you demonstrated that just now you had one hand facing back and one hand facing forward, is that how you lift?

Sheldon Russell:
That's called a mixed grip and I do lift that way. There's people that do double overhand and then they do a hook grip where they take their index figure and hold it over their thumb. That's extremely painful. And I have short thumbs, so I don't do it. I can't do it that way.

Anthony Godfrey:
That doesn't sound like a good idea at all.

Sheldon Russell:
Well, there's people that are good at hook grippers and I am not one of them. I'm mixed grip all the way, which also leads to a bunch of fun injuries as well.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. Well, so that's a deadlift. Now tell me, how much have you lifted for each of your world records and in what category were you competing?

Sheldon Russell:
Okay, so currently I hold 37 records all together between State…

Anthony Godfrey:
37 records?!

Sheldon Russell:
Yes, in three years of competing. 37 State, National, and World records. So I hold three World records. There's an open federation, that is a non-tested federation, that means anyone can compete in it. I did 700 pounds.

Anthony Godfrey:
700 even?

Sheldon Russell:
700 even. And in the same competition I also got two additional world records at FitCon. Which were 700 pounds again, in the open division, so that's all ages, and the 45 to 49 age division. Now it's kind of neat because they do a little ranking system on openpowerlifting.org, and right now I'm gonna try and be humble here, but I'm ranked among all drug tested lifters number one in the world.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. Right now?

Sheldon Russell:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow! That's amazing. That’s really cool.

Sheldon Russell:
It's okay.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back more with Sheldon Russell.

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Anthony Godfrey:
When did you realize that you were really good at this? Not just that you liked it, but that you had the potential to hold a world record or three and to really compete?

Sheldon Russell:
Well, I was always really strong. I just never considered it, really considered powerlifting. It was when I went with my friend that one day and he taught me. I used to be able to just casually pull 600 pounds off the ground, but my form was atrocious. I was using straps, which help you hold onto the bar. It was when I learned the techniques a little bit more and then immediately thought, ‘Wow, I could make some noise.’ And then in the first competition, I do 600 pounds and we get three state records there in the USPA. And then I thought, ‘Okay, here we go. Now it's gonna be fun.’ And then a few months later I did 655, and then I fought forever to get to the 700 pound club because it doesn't count unless you do it on the platform. So that's kind of cool.

Anthony Godfrey:
So do you do bench press and deadlift, or is it only deadlift at this point that you're focused on?

Sheldon Russell:
The full power in a competition is squat, bench and deadlift. So you could do the full power, which is bench press, squat and deadlift, or you could do push pull would be bench and deadlift, or you can just do bench or deadlift. I've benched and deadlifted in a meet. I wanna do a full power, but I'm too old and it hurts, so I do the best I can. So one day I will do one. I'll probably be really conservative with my numbers, at least on squat. And then we'll see what happens. But I have benched in competition. I have some records in bench in the APF and AAPF, but it's still, it's not like pulling.

I would be considered a deadlift specialist. So when, when guys get older, they usually veer away from full power. One of my friends I train with is a bench press specialist. Another one I train with is also a deadlift specialist. We're just too old, we sit all day. It's an all day event if you do full power. I can go at 2:00 and pull and be done at 6 or 7 and go home.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now I know you're a comic book fan. Yes. And as a deadlifter, you must connect with some superheroes or super villains. Are you a Hulk guy? Are you a Thing guy? Because you know, those guys can probably lift about 700 as well.

Sheldon Russell:
Well, I think you know the answer to that question.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell the people, tell the people.

Sheldon Russell:
I have a soft spot in my heart for the Man of Steel. Ever since I was a little boy it was Superman. I do like the Hulk. I do like all sorts of comics, but my favorite is Superman.

Anthony Godfrey:
There is something about Superman. Well, you ought to consider Cosplay because as a lifter like that, I mean you've the muscles for it. Have you considered that?

Sheldon Russell:
Yeah, but I also have the stomach. I could be The Blob. I've got the power lifting stomach. I could be The Blob as well.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, it's a very unique talent and skill and I wonder whether that's something that has helped you connect with students over the years?

Sheldon Russell:
Yeah, a little bit. When I taught at the middle school, West Jordan Middle, I think the internet was in its infancy at that point. But I did teach an after school weightlifting class. The important thing for me is that if I'm working with a kid and we're weightlifting, I do like to mention that lifting weights is a good metaphor for life. Okay. I didn't have the best situation growing up and I had a hard time, but this was one of the things that pulled me out. So if I'm having a difficult life, I go and lift a bunch of weight. I always made the connection. I tell this to students too. If you can lift that weight, what means you can't do this or that? What makes you think you can't pass that exam if you just lifted the weight you did? So I think it translates to other areas of life. And I tried to tell this to students that I have worked with. Because when you're there, it's just you and the weight and nothing else. And it's just pure determination. And that's what I love about the deadlift because out of all lifts, it's very basic and it's true grit that helps you get that weight off the ground. And good form. But that doesn't sound as cool as true grit.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hey, pure grit with a little bit of form. That's a good combination.

Sheldon Russell:
It would also avoid injury. So there you go.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. We were in the gym before. We're now in the weight room and Sheldon is pulling, pulling up plates. Is that what you call 'em?

Sheldon Russell:
Year, 45 pound plates.

Anthony Godfrey:
I know it's surprising, but I haven't done a lot of deadlifting in my life. Okay. Wow. It sounds very medieval in here.

Sheldon Russell:
It does. This will change it.

Anthony Godfrey:
So now you do 700 in competition. How much do you do to warm up to do 700 in competition?

Sheldon Russell:
One plate, two plates, three plates, four plates, five plates, six plates. Then usually I open up around 630. Then I went to about 670. Then I go to 700. But my goal is to be able to do what I can actually do in a competition. I've pulled 735 pounds in training. So it's a lot different when I'm competing though.

Anthony Godfrey:
Right, right. So each of these plates weighs how much?

Sheldon Russell:
45 pounds.

Anthony Godfrey:
How much does the bar weigh?

Sheldon Russell:
45 pounds.

Anthony Godfrey:
The bar is 45 pounds?

Russell Sheldon:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
I thought maybe I could do the bar. Okay. All right. Let's see. You, you have more plates to put on to get to 700?

Sheldon Russell:
Yeah. Do you want me to demonstrate the lift?

Anthony Godfrey:
Let's do a mild lift and avoid any workers' compensation, shall we?

Sheldon Russell:
Yes, let's do a mild lift.

Anthony Godfrey:
And these are the clips, right?

Sheldon Russell:
Yes. That hold the weight on. You want to make sure that you like my shirt deadlifts build character.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yes. Okay. What is the lingo associated with lifting here? Those are plates. Those are clips.

Sheldon Russell:
Plates. Clips. Barbell. This isn't even a real deadlift bar, this is a regular barbell. I use a Texas deadlift bar that bends really well. It's about $400.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, so it does bend in the middle.

Sheldon Russell:
It does bend a little bit. It has some give to it. My wife's gonna listen to this later and I'm sorry, the bar did cost $400. It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Anthony Godfrey:
Exactly. So okay, well we're gonna step back and take a look here.

Sheldon Russell:
Okay. So if you've noticed, you wanna wear either like, I'll train barefoot sometimes, or there's like slippers called deadlift slippers. You want to have a shoe that is close to the ground as possible so you can clamp into the ground and then if you can't, so you can dig into the ground. You don't want cushion on your feet cause you want a stable base. So I'm gonna walk up right to the bar. Okay. Make sure your weight is on your heels and you want as much as possible to be as close to the bar as possible. Then I'm gonna grab and cinch in, make sure my arms are even. So I'm gonna grab and wrap around and then I'm gonna go up. Okay. Then they'll say down, put it down. The most important thing, you keep that weight next to you and like you're almost standing up from a sitting position. You don't want your back to round and you want your head up so as to avoid that back rounding injury. I've seen some pretty bad form. I've even had that pretty bad form. That wasn't the greatest form of the world, but I've come miles since I started.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Great. It's impressive just to see the technique that you applied. Have you ever lifted a car off of someone that was trapped underneath? Cuz it seems like you could.

Sheldon Russell:
No. but I have done car deadlift before. Those are fun.

Anthony Godfrey:
You have done a car deadlift? So how does one go about a car deadlift?

Sheldon Russell:
They put a little contraption underneath it with handlebars and then you just go to it and pull it up an do reps.

Anthony Godfrey:
What kind of car did you lift?

Sheldon Russell:
I can't remember. It was a white car. It was a mid-sized sedan.

Anthony Godfrey:
After you've lifted a car, everything probably goes white. Okay. As you load this, I'm struck by the fact that you have to walk all the way up and down through the weight room to get enough weight on this bar to hit 700 pounds.

Sheldon Russell:
Yeah. Well, a little sacrifice. The worst part is putting the weight back when you're done.

The whole idea of this is a determination sport. I think you learn a lot of life lessons in a weight room because it's just you and the iron and your grit, your determination and your consistency, which makes it key.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's just you and the iron. I like that. And I'm sure that it teaches kids and adults alike that there's something that you didn't think you could do and you can build up to it, and you can work hard, and overcome things, and accomplish things that you never imagined.

Sheldon Russell:
Yes, exactly.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, thank you so much for taking the time. It's fascinating. I'm really excited that I know a world record holder in power lifting and I just, I think it's incredible. So it's great to spend time with you and good luck with everything this year.

Sheldon Russell:
Well, thank you. And if you ever want a deadlift, I'll train you.

Anthony Godfrey:
When I'm ready for the next thing. That's, that's, I don't even know what to say. I'll just say, Yeah. When I'm ready, you'll hear from me.

Sheldon Russell:
Okay.

Anthony Godfrey:
All right. Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, education is the most important thing you'll do today. We'll see out there.

Do you know someone who is being bullied? Is it something you have experienced yourself?

On this episode of the Supercast, find out what parents, schools and members of the community can do to help prevent bullying and teach kids that it is not OK. Dr. Scott Poland, one of the leading experts in bullying prevention in the United States, joins us with some sound advice on how to identify a bully and stop the bad behavior in a way that works.


Audio Transcription

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello, and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Do you know someone who is being bullied? Is it something you have experienced yourself? On this episode of the Supercast, find out what parents, schools, and members of the community can do to help prevent bullying and teach kids that it is not okay. Dr. Scott Poland, one of the leading experts in bullying prevention in the United States, joins us with some sound advice on how to identify a bully and stop the bad behavior in ways that really work.

We are here with Dr. Scott Poland, a psychologist, professor, and expert in helping schools with prevention and through all kinds of crises. Thank you very much for taking time with us Dr. Poland.

Dr. Scott Poland:
Thank you very much, Dr. Godfrey for this opportunity today. I compliment the Jordan School District for focusing on the important problem of bullying prevention and the role that everybody has, not just schools, parents, community, students themselves. Everybody's got to be involved making a difference to prevent bullying.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I appreciate that. And you're right, we all have to pitch in together to make an impact. It's a big concern. It's a term that's used a lot. Let's just start out with talking about what bullying means. What is the general accepted definition of bullying?

Dr. Scott Poland:
The definition really stresses. Bullying is all about power. Power that one person has and another one does not. Bullying is repetitive. Bullying is nasty. Bullying is humiliating. Sometimes people are like, ‘How do we know it wasn't good natured teasing?’ But when kids are teasing each other, they walk away at about the same level. When it's bullying, one of them walks away feeling powerful. The one other one is really feeling horrible, and it's really difficult for somebody who's just been victimized by bullying to suddenly be at their best, you know, in their family or in school and trying to learn.

Anthony Godfrey:
That makes a ton of sense. It's about how everyone walks away from the situation. How prevalent would you say bullying is these days? I know you work with a lot of schools, you're busier than ever. You work at a national level. How prevalent is bullying right now?

Dr. Scott Poland:
Well, very prevalent. You know, somewhere around 20% of middle school students would say they're bullied somewhat frequently, and it does tend to peak in middle school. You know, the best sources of data for us are the stopbullying.gov website, federal government site. And then most states do a youth risk behavior surveillance survey every two years with middle schoolers and high schoolers. And that's where we really get the data about at risk behavior as well as kids feeling victimized. So it's pretty prevalent, unfortunately.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, I know that it's a term that's used frequently. What are some of the myths that are associated with bullying? Because I think a lot of things get lumped into that category, and if we're specific about some of those myths, then maybe we can be more effective at combating it.

Dr. Scott Poland:
Well, one myth is that the bullies were somehow abused as a child. And that's not true. It's more like those that are the victims of bullying are more likely to have been abused in some way. And then, you know, we'd really like to think that bullies outgrow the behavior, but unfortunately, that's not necessarily true. I think probably everybody listening would be aware of some examples in the workplace and the community, some examples of adults that seem to stay in the position they're in because of the way they interact with others. So I wish I could say, you know, that every kid grows out of it, but that's not necessarily true. Bullies often get what they want. And particularly at the middle school level, the bully actually can become somewhat popular, which is unfortunate. We would hope that kids wouldn't gravitate and basically make the bully feel like they are the popular one. But that does happen.

Anthony Godfrey:
So they get rewarded sometimes for that behavior in various ways. Getting what they want, experiencing increased popularity, and as a result that that path becomes well worn and can continue into adulthood. That's an interesting point. And concerning. You've mentioned middle school. Is there a particular age where that starts? Is it at the beginning of middle school, throughout middle school and do you see it more and more with younger students? Talk to me K-12, what do we see?

Dr. Scott Poland:
Well, I think unfortunately lots of at risk behaviors are occurring earlier and earlier. Many elementary school teachers are very concerned about bullying. They're concerned about depression. You know, I think that especially with beginning elementary students, it sort of just starts out with not being respectful of others. Some mean behaviors, a lack of kindness. I think if both of us could wave a magic wand, this is the time where we need so much more kindness in our world and just always being respectful and helpful to others. And, you know, sometimes it's impulsivity and young kids say something that's really hurtful and then they get in a pattern of that. And one of the things that kids have said to me, that are the victims of bullying before, that really made me pause and think. They've said things like, ‘when you get treated this way enough times, you start to think you deserve it.’ And no kid deserves to be bullied. Every one of them. We want 'em all to be connected to our schools. We want them all to have good relations with peers and school staff. You know, we want school to be a place where kids are happy and successful. And then, you know, we talked in the beginning about it's not just for the schools to solve. So that means in youth sports, youth activities, cub scouts, girl scouts, really everywhere, the adults have to be alert and intervene when a pattern of bullying starts to begin.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's really impactful to hear you say that. Just the idea that kids start to think that they deserve the bullying and that what the bullies are saying is accurate. And I suspect that happens pretty quickly. I suspect it doesn't take very long to feel like you deserve it.

Dr. Scott Poland:
Excellent point. And, the research does say kids that are the victim of bullying, at least initially went to adults. But if the adults don't do anything to intervene, and, you know, we need to talk about what should adults do to intervene. But when the adults basically, you know, just kind of write it off or don't get involved. Sometimes I've had people say, ‘Oh, come on Scott, bullying's a part of life. Everybody has it happen. They get through it.’ But it does not have to be that way.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's a really important point that we have this window of opportunity when a child goes to an adult and talks about what's happening. Because if they don't see a result from talking to an adult, then they're gonna stop doing that. And we won't be aware of the bullying. If we rely on our own personal experience to determine whether bullying is happening, then we're going to assume that it isn't, because a lot of times it's gonna happen outside of our view. Is that accurate?

Dr. Scott Poland:
Absolutely. You made a great point. How do we actually determine if bullying took place? We really need to talk to the recipient of the bullying and find out how did you feel when that was happening? Did you feel unsafe? Did you feel humiliated? Were you getting angry? So, you know, we can't tell for sure without actually talking to kids. And when they come to us, our message, whether it's a parent, whether it's a youth soccer coach, whether it's a teacher, the message should always be, ‘You do not deserve this. We are going to get this stopped, and I'm here for you every step of the way. And if this continues, keep telling me, but we are going to take action to get this stopped.’

Anthony Godfrey:
I think what you just said is vital. Tell us that again.

Dr. Scott Poland:
Well, the action that that's really what the adults need to basically say, ‘You don't deserve this. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to get this stopped.’ So that takes us into the realm of we need to support the victim, of course, but we really need consequences for the bully. And the bully needs to know this behavior is not acceptable. Here are the consequences today. If you continue to bully others, these consequences will escalate. And I'm not keeping this a secret. I'm telling all the other adults that are, you know, working together for the Cub Scout program, or I'm a teacher, I'm telling all the other teachers, everybody will be watching you. And remember, these consequences will escalate.

Anthony Godfrey:
So it's a full court press and it's being very clear with the victim that I'm here with you every step of the way. I love the way you said that, and I need you to keep talking to me about this if it continues to happen. Being very explicit about that so that the victim doesn't say, Well, I talked to an adult and I'm done now.

Dr. Scott Poland:
And the adults really need to increase supervision. You know, we're concerned in schools, bullying is more likely to occur on a school bus, in a restroom, in the hallway. And you know, one of the things that we need to do really in all student activities is just survey our students, or survey the kids that are in our community based soccer program and find out, first of all, hopefully they feel connected and they're enjoying it. But is there bullying taking place? And what are their ideas in terms of how can we turn this around? How can we reduce and eliminate the bullying that's happening?

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back. We'll learn how to recognize the signs of bullying behaviors in order to keep kids safe.

Break:
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Anthony Godfrey:
So let's talk about what happens when a child goes to a parent and says, I'm being bullied. This is happening.

Dr. Scott Poland:
So we really need parents that are good listeners that would really be empathetic and again, emphasize, ‘You do not deserve this. We're going to get this stopped.’ Now, the parents' reaction might be to actually confront the bully, confront the parents of the bully. And that is actually not recommended. It's more like, I need to talk to whoever's in charge of the Cub Scout troop. I need to talk to the classroom teacher, if the bullying's occurring at school, that is the place to start. I mean, there have been some stories nationally where a dad jumps on a school bus and confronts the kid bullying his child, and pretty soon the dad's arrested. And then, and I've actually had people, like school counselors say, ‘But I'm trained for this. I can intervene.’ And I'm gonna say, ‘But it's your child that's experiencing this. Take a step back.’ And then, you know, we've got to talk about cyber bullying today. But when you're aware that your kids being cyber bullied, your first thought is, I'm gonna take away that computer. I'm gonna get 'em off those sites, but that's actually punishing your child. So we've gotta find some balance here where your child doesn't feel punished because they're telling you what's happening to them online.

Anthony Godfrey:
Which could result in their not wanting to bring up concerns or issues that they're going through because they're worried that they're gonna be further disconnected from the people in their world.

Dr. Scott Poland:
Absolutely. Tendency to say to our kids ‘Everything's gonna be okay’, or, ‘Oh, let me tell you about what happened to me.’ And really, the more we can hold back from that and just keep saying, ‘I can't imagine this must be so hard, what are your ideas about how you can get through this? Do you see something that I could do to help?’ I actually had a kid the other day say something like this, ‘You know, when my dad gives me advice too quickly, it's like, I know that he didn't really listen to everything that I was going on.’ So I cannot overemphasize with parents, listen and ask your child, ‘How can I help? What do you think would make this situation better?’

Anthony Godfrey:
I love the idea of connecting with the child and asking for ideas there. And you're right, when a solution comes too quickly, it's like you're not really listening to the specific circumstances that the child is experiencing, and the likelihood that the situation matches up well enough with a memory of ours that we ought to be sharing our story is pretty low.

Dr. Scott Poland:
I know, I know.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me, you mentioned cyber bullying. So rather than disconnecting kids from the sites where they may be bullied, what are some other approaches that may work more effectively?

Dr. Scott Poland:
Well, we know this is really challenging. You and I, when we went home from school, we probably walked into a house where there was one telephone and there was actually a cord on that phone. Yes. And it was literally like, home was a safe haven, right? That nobody could reach us with humiliating, nasty messages, at least, unless they wanted to talk to my mom first, because she would be the one answering the phone. But we know everything has changed so dramatically. The other day I became aware of a program that I'm really excited about. It's called Wait Until 8th Grade. So really, what's that program all about? No smart phones until your kid enters eighth grade. And of course, kids need a way to communicate, but you know, a kid can have a watch that basically allows them to call six people because they need to get in touch with mom or grandpa or whatever. Of course, every parent is going to say, 'But you know, my kid's telling me every other sixth grader or fifth grader or fourth grader has a smartphone.' But the program actually puts you in touch with others in your community that have the same values about not being in a hurry for all this technology. And then when kids do have all that technology, it actually works the best when, you know, it's a family room, it's a desktop, Parents have passwords, parents are constantly discussing with kids things like, you know, once you post something, it's like there forever. You can't take it back. And I wanna share today an app that I'm really excited about.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

Dr. Scott Poland:
The app is called Rethink Words, and it was actually developed by an adolescent, I think she was from Australia. And when the Rethink Words app is on your phone or on your tablet, it recognizes harmful, hurtful messages and it basically sends you a message like, Is this really what you wanna say? And they have data that like 93% of the time, kids either reword it or they don't send it.

And then some families and some schools are selecting blackout dates, which is basically, let's turn off all the technology. Let's do an old fashioned board game in our home tonight. So this is an extremely challenging area, but I do see some programs that can make a difference. I wish we'd stop seeing the parents when they come in a restaurant with a four year old, they immediately hand them their phone. I know you see that everywhere in Utah, but it's literally like, kids need to learn to actually just talk to people, talk to their family, talk to their friends. They really need to develop in person skills.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I'm personally connected to mine and I have to make a conscious effort all the time not to do exactly what you described. You know, we've talked about what to do if your child is bullied and I love the phrases that you used. I love the idea of not confronting the child and parents directly, but talking with the person in authority to work through the system that way. And to make sure that it's addressed that way. That it's going to be more effective. But what does a parent do if they find out that their child is the bully?

Dr. Scott Poland:
Well, first of all, I would hope that they would not be defensive and we're sharing this information with them in a way that we're not trying to imply you must be doing a bad job for your kid to behave this way. So it's really important that they increase supervision of their child. They might need to take the technology away for a while if their kid is the cyber bully. And we really need to encourage them to get their kids involved in prosocial activities where they're actually helping others. And, you know, when an older kid is tutoring a younger kid, you know, they get immeasurable benefits and they feel good about themselves. And so for parents, it's difficult to hear that your kid is the bully, but it's like, work with the school, work with the community organization, whoever is alerting you to the problem. It's literally like, let's talk together about what we can do and that increased supervision. And yes, I would hope there would be some consequences at home for the choices a kid is making when they engage in bullying.

Anthony Godfrey:
And this goes back to the myth that you mentioned earlier. When we're approaching it as a school or as parents, we don't wanna make the assumption that someone who is a bully has been abused or that there's some deep problem at home. It may simply be that the bully has been reinforced in that behavior because they tried it, it worked, and they've continued to use that method to feel good about themselves and to get the things that they're looking for.

Dr. Scott Poland:
Absolutely. And I wanna make one more point about if your kid is the one being bullied. We've already talked about the steps that you need to take and you're there for them every step of the way. But one of the things I find with kids is that when they find their niche, when they're involved in some activity, they feel good about, they're treated well in one situation, that really can go a long way to help them still feel pretty good about themselves, even though there's some bullying or harassment in some other situations.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you very much, Dr. Poland. What are some other resources that parents can go to for more information about bullying prevention?

Dr. Scott Poland:
Well, a really great thing is over the last decade there's been a lot of emphasis on bullying prevention. A lot of legislation has been passed. Schools have really stepped forward, like the Jordan School District, and taken this really seriously. There is the website from the federal government, stopbullying.gov. I'm a very big fan of Common Sense Media. Common Sense Media actually has information on digital citizenship really by grade level. So they provide some really clear guidance about third graders and technology, and what should they be doing, and how can they be respectful and kind and, you know, all of their postings. So those come to mind immediately. And then I'm a very big fan of the Rethink Words. If I could wave a magic wand, I'd love to have that app on every adolescent's phone and tablet in the entire country just to try to get them to rethink.

And then we haven't talked much about bystanders yet, but this is always a big issue in terms of a lot of bullying takes place with an audience. And how do we get bystanders? Some people have actually said that term is too passive. Have you ever heard the term upstanding? Which basically means I'm gonna stand up here and basically with others, let the bully know this is not what we want to have happen on our team, or our community program, or in our classroom. A lot of programs emphasize the role of kids stepping forward and just letting a bully know it's not what we want, it's not how we behave.

Anthony Godfrey:
I think that's really important because almost anyone can be an upstander. You may not have been a victim, you may not have been a bully, but we've all witnessed it and there's really something that we can do to help. Dr. Poland thank you very much for your advice today and over the years, you've helped us through difficult issues as I know you have for many districts nationwide. So thanks again for taking time with us and for helping us move forward. I wish you the best in everything you're working on.

Dr. Scott Poland:
Thank you, Dr. Godfrey. And it's been my pleasure to work with the Jordan School District and thank you for all your leadership, especially in this important area where we all try to stop bullying in our schools, communities, and in our homes because we know that experiencing bullying over many years is extremely harmful to young people.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you, Dr. Poland.

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