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Ashley:
Hadley is going for the world record of the youngest female DJ to perform at a festival.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what grade are you in?

Hadley:
I'm in kindergarten.

Anthony Godfrey:
How about you, Carter? What grade are you in?

Carter:
Second.

Anthony Godfrey:
You guys learned to be DJs? That's really fun. A smile comes on your face as soon as I even say the word "DJ."

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. She's got the beat, and now a Guinness Book of World Records title to go with it. On this episode of the Supercast, we head to Monte Vista Elementary School to meet a kindergarten student named Hadley, also known in some circles as DJ Lele. Find out how the five-year-old began her disc jockey journey, and how playing a 51-minute unaided set at a Utah music festival this summer has DJ Lele well on her way to the record books. She is doing it all alongside her brother Carter, a DJ in second grade.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're here at Monte Vista Elementary talking with Ashley, the mother of two very young DJs. Tell us a little bit about yourself and about the DJing that's happening in your family.

Ashley:
Yeah, so a few months back, my husband decided to go down the rabbit hole of a new hobby, and whenever he does a hobby, he really does it. So he bought some DJ gear, and then as a kid saw him mixing, they thought, "This looks so fun. Let's jump in." And very quickly, they surpassed him in skill.

Anthony Godfrey:
As happens with children.

Ashley:
Yes. Yeah, they really took to it quickly, and it's been kind of a fun family experience to get to make music together and be creating. When we're in the car, we'll listen to songs, and, "Oh, this one would go good with this one. We could put them together." So it's kind of been, it's become like a whole family thing.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell us about the journey to a world record. I know it's under review with Guinness, but it's already been reviewed by another entity. Talk to us about your daughter and her situation.

Ashley:
Yeah, so Hadley is going for the world record of the youngest female DJ to perform at a festival. And, you know, there's a lot of paperwork and boring stuff that's kind of behind the scenes to do that. As far as getting Hadley ready, she originally learned on our little tiny Pioneer table, and that's how she had kind of been making videos and figuring things out. And then eventually, when we got in touch with this festival, she …. by the time that we had decided she was going to play to the festival, there was two weeks, and she had to learn an entirely new system. And one of the things that was kind of an interesting challenge is she's so short that it was like hard to reach all the buttons on the table.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, she doesn't have that reach for the knob at just the right moment.

Ashley:
Yeah, yeah. So it was a lot of, you know, troubleshooting things. Like how do we get her to be tall enough that people can actually see her? And how do we make sure that she can reach the buttons she needs to be reaching?

Anthony Godfrey:
So how did you solve those problems?

Ashley:
Just trial and error. We bought multiple different size stools for her to stand on. We got a headband because the headphones are too big to stay on her head.

Anthony Godfrey:
You went to the DJ aisle of Target and picked up some stools.

Ashley:
Yeah, we just found the little, you know, the little DJ section that every random grocery store has.

Anthony Godfrey:
Right, as they should.

Ashley:
Yeah, we had to get a headband to keep her headphones on because they were too big.

Anthony Godfrey:
A lot of modifications.

Ashley:
Yes, platform shoes to make her a little bit taller.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, you're a trailblazer. You need, you know, equipment that others might not need.

Ashley:
Yeah, they don't make stuff like this.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's like climbing Everest with rope and a bad pair of shoes, you know, you've got to be scrappy.

Ashley:
Yeah, she will. And that she is so scrappy. When we …  so we had these two weeks of really, really intense. I shouldn't say really, really intense, but just these two weeks of OK, we're going to learn this new system. We're going to get ready for this festival.

Anthony Godfrey:
Fun, intense.

Ashley:
Yes, yes. I mean, our practicing is a party. We threw, we threw a party for our neighborhood and like we went out on the driveway, had our neighbors come so she could get just a practice with a crowd.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's awesome.

Ashley:
So it was good fun, good practice.

Anthony Godfrey:
So what was the festival that she was signed up for?

Ashley:
So it's a little festival that's just local to Utah. It's called Awaken. And Hadley's dad had actually reached out to the person that put that on. And he was the one, he could probably comment a little more on how we got set up with them. But yeah, just a little local festival they do around Utah, and they had seen our videos. They thought it was a really cool idea. They're really focused on like mental health and mindfulness and music as not just an escape, but a way of like healing. And that's right up my alley. I work as a therapist. That's right up my husband's alley. So we're like, OK, this is an awesome place, like mental wellness and fun all rolled into one. So it seemed like a good place for her to try.

Anthony Godfrey:
When did she perform?

Ashley:
It was this August and she we just said first thing in the morning. So we drove down. It was kind of outside Cedar City and our family got a little Airbnb and drove out there first thing in the morning. So when we showed up, everyone's doing yoga and, you know, just having like this very peaceful morning and then eleven o'clock rolls around. And we started playing some music and turning on the volume.

Anthony Godfrey:
So she was the first. She started out the day, from yoga to Hadley.

Ashley:
So everybody was like milling about either doing yoga or getting their breakfast. You know, we're walking around and ….

Anthony Godfrey:
With a tee shirt that says, “I'm with the DJ.”

Ashley:
Oh, everyone knew she had a full sequined outfit. They knew, they knew who we were.

Anthony Godfrey:
OK, they're like, “she may be five years old, but she's the DJ.”

Ashley:
She. Yep. Yep. Yep. She, she definitely stood out there.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how was the experience for you as a parent? Did you get to be behind the board or were you out front?

Ashley:
Yeah. So I told her I was like, “I will be in the very front row the whole time, cheering you on, dancing. Like if you ever get nervous, just look for me and your brother and we're going to be right there.” Dad got to go behind to help with like the cameras and things like that. And it was honestly one of the most uniting moments as a family, I think that we were all there. You know, to support each other and to hype each other up at some point during her set. So there were specific time requirements and just so many little like boxes that you have to check to get the record. Right. And so one of the requirements was that it'd be like a 30-minute set. Can't have any interference from anyone else. So right around mark minute mark, like 17, there was some kind of issue because the sun was so bright shining on her deck. So usually, you know, she's looking at different lights to kind of cue into what she's supposed to do.

Anthony Godfrey:
Sure.

Ashley:
But the sun was so bright that she couldn't see anything. Something got pushed and she couldn't read well enough to be able to fix it on her own. So music stopped and we had to go in and help her. And at that point we were like, “OK, if we can either stop here or we restart the time because we can't interfere at all.” So she was like, “Let's do it. I'm going to do it.” And so we threw her back up there and then we didn't have, you know, material for an hour show. So she was really just like on the cuff, mixing stuff together and throwing it and …. world record, whatever. But seeing her like mental toughness and her just being like, “It's OK. I can pick myself up, and I can start again.” And also like the crowd just gathering around her and like cheering her on. Oh, my gosh, I have goosebumps talking about it. It was …. I was just so proud of her for all the work that she put in. And if she would have had to stop, we would have been just as proud. But that was, that was a thing that was like, “OK, this is cooler than just she threw a party and played some music. It's like, OK, she's learning lessons here.” And, and also having her brother there in the crowd and supporting her and just, you know, being her champion, like it was a very …. it was a very cool moment.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. The way she pushed through, like you said, that's the most important part of the day. And it's great to hear about the crowd's reaction and how they supported. What was the crowd like at the end of the two sets?

Ashley:
Yeah. So at some point we had a guy break dancing in the front row and …

Anthony Godfrey:
If they're break dancing, you know, you've hit your mark.

Ashley:
Yeah. Yeah. We have had such a good experience in kind of like the music scene, just people being so kind. One of the like common things you'll see at festivals like this is PLUR, which is like peace, love….

Anthony Godfrey:
Unity and respect.

Ashley:
Yes. Yes. And that was just on full display that day. Everyone was so kind. It was like a beautiful human moment. Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. That's wonderful.

Ashley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
And so what's next?

Ashley:
Well, we’re going to teach . . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
We're going to hear about the world record. I know, I know that was not the whole point.

Ashley:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
The point was the resilience and the performance and a live performance like that is difficult for anybody, especially, but especially at her age, especially when there's an issue partway through, and the stakes are high. So what's next?

Ashley:
Well, I think we're going to teach you a little bit of DJing today.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. Let's do that. Let's do that.

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Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us. When we come back, we'll hear Hadley and Carter DJ live for us here on the Supercast.

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Anthony Godfrey:
Lots of DJs look for a big social media presence. How's that going for Hadley?

Ashley:
Yeah, that has really taken off. So a lot of the videos that the kids make, it's just them being their feral selves in our basement with our cats, of course. And so people, I mean, they love cat internet videos. And so throw in some cute kids and crazy music and these really chill cats. Yeah, people have really loved it. And again, it's fun to see comments that people make because we've had people say like, “Oh, I used to not be able to listen to this song because it made me so sad about people who've passed. But the remix you guys did just made me laugh out loud. Like, thank you for healing.”

Anthony Godfrey:
Really? Do you remember which song that is?

Ashley:
It was. It was a Celine Dion and what had transitioned into?

Ashley:
Yes, I think it was “My Heart Will Go On” into 50 Cent. And yeah, the person is like, “Oh, yeah, this song was always like . . . "

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh yeah. Who hasn't thought of that combination? I mean, really.

Ashley:
I know.

Anthony Godfrey:
If they'd like to hear some great music, get to know some fun kids and see some cats that are pretty chill, how would they follow your family online?

Ashley:
Yeah. Yeah. So on Instagram, it's Faculty Lounge DJ. So we've got a whole bunch of videos up there. And then we also have some music that they've released on Spotify. If you visit our Instagram, we have a link to our Spotify and we have a couple of original songs on there. They're just, again, kind of us fun playing around with the idea of, you know, children's songs, music that's for kids, but also making it fun enough that the adults will enjoy it, too.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, the social media attention is one thing. Tell me about how many followers your kids have on Instagram.

Ashley:
Yeah. So right now they're sitting at around 175,000 followers. And then they've gotten to do a couple, a couple cool things in different publications. DJing Magazine like caters to, you know, women DJs. So that was really cool for her to be featured there. She got to do an interview with ABC News. And so their dad is like their biggest supporter ever. I'm kind of the hype woman in the crowd and he's kind of the guy behind the scenes that, you know, is getting the word out and taking the videos and doing the editing. So it really is like a whole family effort. But . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
Like you said, very unifying for your family.

Ashley:
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's, we all have our kind of part that we play, very intentional about as well is that it is always fun for these guys that this is what they want to be doing. I don't think they really even understand the following that they have or, you know, what a world record is. Or I don't think they understand how cool some of this stuff is. But some of that is intentional because we're like, we just want you to have fun playing music. Like if we get to have these cool opportunities of going on a family trip to, you know, play the festival or doing a podcast or whatever, like so cool. But also we want them to just like enjoy it. Like it doesn't have to be anything that like defines them or that they have to be too concerned about what the numbers are.

Anthony Godfrey:
I like that you lumped in doing a podcast with taking a family trip. I mean, they're equally fun. I know.

Ashley:
Absolutely.

Anthony Godfrey:
But you're right. The attention provides opportunities.

Ashley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
And that, and opens doors and I think that's really exciting.

Ashley:
We’re trying to keep them just anchored in the opportunities that they're having. And yeah, when they get older, they'll maybe understand some of the social media side of things. But for now, we're like, we're just having fun and they don't need to worry about any of that.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, let's talk with the DJs and let's listen to some music.

Ashley:
Yeah, let's do it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hi, guys. How are you?

Hadley:
Good.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's good to talk to you today. Tell me your name and what do you love most about being a DJ?

Hadley:
Hadley. When I get to dance.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, do you get to dance to your own music?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what's your favorite song? Do you have a favorite song right now?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
What is it?

Hadley:
Levels.

Anthony Godfrey:
Who sings that song?

Hadley:
Avicii.

Anthony Godfrey:
Avicii. That's a really good song. And how about you? What's your name?

Carter:
Carter. I like just mixing the songs because it sounds cool. And also of my favorite songs, it's also Levels.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Are we going to listen to Levels today?

Children:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, that sounds awesome. And what grade are you in?

Hadley:
I'm in kindergarten.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how do you like kindergarten?

Hadley:
It's good.

Anthony Godfrey:
What are you learning that you really like?

Hadley:
Well, I mean, I'm kind of learning math.

Anthony Godfrey:
Do you like math?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Math is fun. How about you, Carter? What grade are you in?

Carter:
Second.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what do you like most about school?

Carter:
You get to do fun stuff. You get to play with your friends, learn math, learn new stuff.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Speaking of learning new stuff, you guys learned to be DJs. That's really fun.

Both:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Smile comes on your face as soon as I even say the word DJ.

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
What do you like most about being a DJ?

Hadley:
I like dancing to the songs.

Anthony Godfrey:
You like dancing to the songs?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
And do you like making the songs go together? Putting them together?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's awesome. Can you show me some dancing? Okay. When we do. Oh, wow. Yeah. I cannot just start dancing all of a sudden, but you definitely can. Carter, how about you? What do you like most about being a DJ?

Carter:
I mean, it's fun. I get to do stuff with my sister and mix the songs.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, that's fun. How do you involve the cats in your videos?

Carter:
We make them dance.

Anthony Godfrey:
You make them dance?

Carter:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
How do you make them dance?

Carter:
We hold them and like move their arms or something.

Anthony Godfrey:
I look forward to seeing these videos. Do the cats like it? Are they pretty mellow about it?

Carter:
Sometimes they don't like it, but sometimes they like it. So sometimes if they don't like it, we just put them in a bowl.

Anthony Godfrey:
You put them in a bowl?

Carter:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Do they know that they're kind of not being chill enough if you put them in a bowl?

Carter:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. Is there anything else in the bowl? Like cereal and milk or anything?

Carter:
No. No, it's an empty bowl.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. And what are your cats' names?

Carter:
Mittens and Oliver.

Anthony Godfrey:
Mittens and Oliver. Which is the best behaved of the two?

Hadley:
Oliver.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oliver is the most behaved.

Carter:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
I would have guessed that from the names that he would be the most calm. Okay, Hadley. Talk to me about the board here that we have in front of us. So what do these buttons do?

Hadley:
These are like some buttons that like help you start them so you can just press one of them and it sets like a little wherever you think the song mixes together good.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay.

Hadley:
These are like the basses.

Anthony Godfrey:
These knobs?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
It can turn up the bass?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Do you like bass?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Do you like treble?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay.

Hadley:
So like and then this is like the volume. You just turn it up fast or slow to make the volume.

Anthony Godfrey:
Does that pull the other song in? Like you've got the one song playing, and then you turn up the volume on the other song?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. And what do you call these? Are these sliders?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Is that what they are?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what is this right here?

Hadley:
This is called a jog wheel.

Anthony Godfrey:
A what wheel?

Hadley:
A jog wheel.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's a jog wheel.

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
And so does that, what does this do? When you, this is, this is a wheel that you can move back and forth. It's pretty big like the size of a pancake maybe?

Hadley:
Yeah. So it lines up the songs together to make the mix go good.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. So that you know how to mix the songs.

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. What songs are you going to mix for us?

Hadley:
I'm going to mix Levels and then Die Young and then, wait . . . .

Andrew:
And then the special one that you made that we made last night?

Hadley:
Oh yeah. And then there's a special one.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. Let's hear it. Sounds great. Thanks for walking me through the board here. I've never known how all of this works. Okay.

Anthony Godfrey:
That was perfect. I've never had a custom song just for me before. That's fantastic. You're very focused and having fun at the same time. That's so cool.

Anthony Godfrey:
That was perfect. Your timing is amazing. Oh wow. Okay. Is this a fade? What is this called?

Hadley:
Um, this is, um,

Anthony Godfrey:
That's a filter?

Hadley:
Yeah, it's a filter.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh wow. That is so cool. Wow. Hadley, this is the best thing. I can't believe it. I'm going to have a fantastic day automatically because of this. Oh wow. Good job, Hadley. Thank you.

Hadley:
And then that's called a loop.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's called a loop? What? And so does it just play the same thing over and over again?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Is that what that means?

Hadley:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. That is so cool. Um, Dad, introduce yourself as well.

Andrew:
Yeah. So I'm Andrew Lovell and I'm the assistant principal of Monte Vista. I'm also the father of these two DJs.

Anthony Godfrey:
And, uh, agent backstage, uh, helper, just whatever is needed.

Andrew:
Everything. Uh, sandwich maker, chaos agent, controller. Yes. Everything all in one.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hype man. You just, whatever it takes.

Andrew:
Whatever it takes.

Anthony Godfrey:
You're versatile. You're versatile. Tell me how you landed the gig when you reached out to the festival.

Andrew:
Yeah, it was a really cool story. Actually the, uh, the owner of the festival, the guy who puts it on is actually a local community member here. We didn't know that until, until arriving at his house and then realized that he is actually a community member here at our school. So, um, so we just talked to him and he was all for it. Once he met the kids and had them in the studio and they got the chance to mix with him. He was a hundred percent in, I think that's what it took. It took for him to meet them and to really see the magic and the energy that they bring.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. There's, there's no question about the magic and energy they bring. It's, it's something special. Carter is at the board now. Do you call it the board?

Andrew;

Okay. Okay. Carter, give it a shot. If it doesn't sound right, we'll, we'll do it again. Okay. But I think you got to do.

Anthony Godfrey:
All right. Let's see what you got.

Carter:
You press this, then . .

Anthony Godfrey:
Is that from Star Wars?

Carter:
Then you push this and move this a little bit. Then you push that back.

Anthony Godfrey:
Messing with the levels. I like that.

Carter:
Then look for the light . .

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. You're watching for the red spot. So it's the visual of the music you're following.

Carter:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow.

Anthony Godfrey:
That was perfect.

Carter:
Then you’re gonna bring this up and then this down. That’s all you’re gonna do.

Anthony Godfrey:
That is so cool. Amazing. This is a great combination of music. The voices sound kind of dark and serious, like big things are happening. And then you've got this really fun beat with it. I love that combination. Carter, I hear that you're going to be performing for students later this week. Are you excited about that?

Carter:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Do your friends know that you're going to be DJing for them?

Carter:
I don't think so.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, that's going to be a big surprise. That's going to be super fun. They will not forget that. That's so fun that you get to do that. And it's kind of a gift that you're giving your friends that they get to have a great time, thanks to you.

Carter:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I'm looking forward to that. That's going to be really fun. Thank you very much, you two.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's about the coolest thing that's happened to me in a long time. Thank you so much for making that mix for me.

Children:
You’re welcome.

Anthony Godfrey:
That was really fun. And I have a new hobby. Do you know what it is?

Hadley:
No.

Carter:
What? DJing?

Anthony Godfrey:
No. It's watching you two DJ. I'm going to start following you guys. And I want to get to know Oliver and Mittens too. So you guys are the best. My favorite DJs. Thank you so much for talking with me today.

Children:
You're welcome.

Anthony Godfrey:
All right. Will you guys play something for me just to finish off the podcast?

Children:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you will do today!” We'll see you out there.

Liz Mumford:
Utah is the only state that has a Community Council program where trust funds go directly to a local community to make the decision.

Bree Ervin:
So it is really nice to see that this is not just words on paper, it is action.

Anthony Godfrey:
You're already seeing an impact with your children.

Julianne Best:
And the way that we're doing things, he's getting it.

Anthony Godfrey:
I love that.

Julianne Best:
Showing a big difference.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello, and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Did you know the Utah Trust Lands Administration manages millions of acres of land? And through the leasing and sales of that land, they raise hundreds of millions of dollars that go directly into K-12 schools in Utah? On this episode of the Supercast, we head to Hidden Valley Middle School to show you how School Community Councils, which include parents, teachers, and the principal, decide how to use the money. Find out why Hidden Valley Middle School's Land Trust Plan stands out among others in the state, and how, in the end, students in the classroom are the clear winners.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're talking now with the director of the advocacy office for the Trust Lands system. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about what that means and what your job entails.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, thanks, Dr. Godfrey. It's great to be with you today and talk to the Jordan community. I am Liz Mumford. I represent all of the beneficiaries across the Trust system. That means public education and other state institutions that get distributions that come off of the revenue from Trust Lands.

Anthony Godfrey:
And talk to people about what Trust Lands are.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, Trust Lands is a great story. It goes clear back to the history of our country and the origin of states. And when states came into the union, there was a recognition that they needed some kind of revenue to be able to fund important functions like public education and hospitals and higher education. And so the federal government granted lands to each state at statehood. And if you were to look at a map of Utah and see little sections of our state, you'd see this checkerboard pattern where, in every single township, four parcels were granted to public education to help fund public schools. And eventually, that was formalized into a trust and an endowment system. And that's where the money comes from each year.

Anthony Godfrey:
Parcels in every township, I didn't realize that the distribution looked like that.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, it's really interesting. Some states, when they came into statehood, just received one section. But there was this understanding that we were an arid state, that land might not have as many natural resources. And so the federal government granted four sections in every township for public education.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how does that system work now? Explain to folks what that means for us in schools right now.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, let's kind of talk about how Trust Lands, the administration makes money with those lands in this time. So there's a lot of different activity happening on those lands. Everything from oil and gas drilling, there are some coal mines, there are sheep and cattle grazing permits, there's geothermal production, there's real estate development. Critical minerals are an emerging opportunity for revenue on Trust Lands. And they are constantly looking for the highest and best use of activity in those areas. It's an important part of county economic development, and that supports taxes in schools as well once those businesses become functional and they become part of the tax base. But all across Utah, there's economic activity happening on Trust Lands. Each year, the Trust Lands Administration takes that total revenue that they earn on the Lands and transfers it over to an investment office. And that's known as SITFO, and it becomes part of a permanent fund for public education.

Anthony Godfrey:
And those funds have grown dramatically in the last 20 years, I would say. Even in the last 10, there's been a huge uptick in the amount of funding that's available.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, that's a great point to make. So part of that is just the sophistication of their investment policy over at SITFO. So they manage that permanent fund, and they're managing it with experts in their industry. It also is the power of compounding. And so what we're seeing is the fund itself is creating increasing opportunities every year. It's up to almost $4.8 billion.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. And the distribution is a per-student distribution throughout the state that goes directly to schools to be administered through the School Community Council. And for the benefit, for academic benefit for students. So talk to us about that process.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah. So in state code, there's a formula that they use each year to determine that distribution. And some of your listeners may remember a few years ago, they voted on Amendment B. And that was an increased percentage that went out to public schools each year. So there's a formula based on student enrollment, the balance in the account, and on that statutory formula with 5%. And each year, SITFO calculates the total amount that would go out to public schools. And then there's a formula that dictates how much goes out to students. So this year, it's about $200 per student that's going out to Community Councils. And you hit it right on the head. It's the greatest academic need. That's their priority is crafting a plan, setting goals within your school community, and figuring out what are places where you can amplify funding that's coming from the legislature and other avenues, and meeting the needs within your school.

Anthony Godfrey:
And within these agencies that you've described, or working with these agencies, you're our advocate to be sure that schools are receiving what they should be, and that we're really focused on making sure that revenue is handled well and goes where it should.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, that's a great point. It's a complex system here within the Trust. And so Trust Lands Agents Administration really focuses on the land management. SITFO really focuses on the fund investment. The School Children's Trust Program at the State Board of Education, they train councils, monitor the spending, and track compliance, and support good plan development. And our office serves as the independent advocate. There have been times in the history of the Trust system where lands were sold for less than fair market value, or there were risks in the system that compromised the value. And really, as the Trust system has become more formalized, and all these structures are in place, part of our role is just to protect the system, to make sure there's good governance, to make sure there's good policy. We work a lot with legislators on an annual basis looking at the Trust system and the statutes, and ways that we can just make sure the revenue continues to increase, and public schools get the money that they're guaranteed through this program.

Anthony Godfrey:
And with all these processes, and with your advocacy, and with good coordination among these offices, we have a trustworthy Trust.

Liz Mumford:
We do. It's amazing. When you look across the United States of America, Utah is the only state that has a Community Council program where Trust funds go directly to a local community to make the decisions. And that's really powerful. I think it helps strengthen our school culture. It builds parent engagement, and really lets us address things in a case-by-case basis.

Anthony Godfrey:
If I may insert this here, cue the old-timey music. But in the 1990s, back in the 1900s, Jordan School District actually pioneered the School Community Council. And that then was put into law later. But they were called School Community Groups. So you used to be able to know who'd been working in Jordan for a very long time if they called it a School Community Group. And then when it was put in law, it was a School Community Council.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, that's so great. So many people in our state were part of that important transition. PTA was a huge element of fighting for Community Councils and for also just creating the modern Trust system in the 1990s. And it's just evolved over time and become more and more effective at getting the money down to the school level. I know when I started serving on School Community Councils 20 years ago, we were just receiving a small amount of money each year. And you might be able to buy some books or a software program or do a parent night with science or something more programmatic. And the money is to a level now where schools are able to invest in full-time equivalents. They're able to hire a teacher, pay for productivity . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
Lower class sizes.

Liz Mumford:
Lower class sizes, hire interventionists to help with reading. It's really powerful money that they can count on from year to year. And that's changed how impactful their plans can become.

Anthony Godfrey:
And over the years, as the amount of money coming to schools has grown, we've talked with principals about this is money you can rely on. The exact amount per student is going to vary. But you can feel confident hiring staff. Initially when we were switching from books and supplies to staff, it was a bit of an adjustment because it's a different source of funding. But there's a huge impact, a huge positive impact in our schools because of this funding. And as you said, it's a really important point. Jordan had a role. PTA had a huge role. The legislature putting it into law so that everybody has access to a School Community Council and can access these funds in a meaningful way. It was a lot of groups coming together to help public education. And that's really inspiring. And it's been very successful. And I appreciate the role that you play in making it such a success.

Liz Mumford:
Thank you. Well, we just believe that advocacy and understanding of the trust is so important. So when teachers in Jordan and parents in Jordan understand the Trust system and become champions for this program, it helps all of us protect the Trust and the school children's interest in it. So we're excited about the future of the Trust as the fund continues to grow. And we just believe that parent engagement and teacher participation in developing these plans collaboratively with principals is a huge part of that success.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, you talked about being on a School Community Council 20 years ago. Is that what started you along this path to this position?

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, it really is. My background was being a parent. I had four boys that were all students in public education. And I got involved initially with PTA. And then I added that Community Council to that service. And they really complement each other well as PTA's work together in conjunction with Community Councils to support schools. But Community Councils really have this great role of greatest academic need. And I loved being able to influence decisions at my school. And it also becomes a place to talk about school issues, whether those are traffic drop-off issues or different things within a school community. And so I loved that opportunity. Eventually, I worked in a school and became a part of the plan as an educator, and then had an opportunity to review plans as a local school board member. And so I really watched the process from all different levels. And I think that's what makes the plan so cohesive and impactful is because every person along the way influences those plans and has a common goal to support the greatest academic need of our kids.

Anthony Godfrey:
So it's fair to say no one has seen every angle of this program like you have. A school board member has to approve those plans. So you've seen it from parent, educator, board member, and now at the state level.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, I hope that brings a unique perspective. I think principals play a really critical role in plans. And I've never had that perspective, but I've sat side by side with lots of principals. And they take on a big burden because they have to manage the website and all the deadlines and the processes. And really, principals have such an influence on the culture of the Council and how they engage with parents. So I really value what they do.

Anthony Godfrey:
That’s a good point.

Liz Mumford:
But yeah, this whole process takes a lot of people working together.

Anthony Godfrey:
And the principal does balance out not taking over, but making sure things move forward and everyone has a voice and that everyone's connected to the genuine needs of the school.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, that's a great way to describe it because in the big picture, the principal understands a lot of the dynamics at the school and the Council has an influence on this portion. And so when they bring parents and educators to the table and you're sitting down in a library talking about what are the needs in your school, what's the data in your school, did the plan last year work, what do we need to tweak, the principal becomes a great facilitator in that discussion.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you very much. And we're actually at Hidden Valley Middle School right now to talk about their plan because this is one of the plans that you've highlighted.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, each year we like to look at districts across the state and charters across the state and kind of look for examples of great plans. There's so much great work happening in lots of different schools. There's over 1,000 schools across the state and they each have a unique plan. But it's fun to highlight Hidden Valley today. You'll know, Superintendent, that Jordan District received $10.4 million. That's what's going out to Councils in this school year for the plans that they crafted and approved together as Councils. And so we really were impressed at Hidden Valley. They really were strategic in how they used data in their plan. And we love the way that they approached personalized academic tracking. And they're working on ways to direct their core subjects. And so using interventions and ways to target students, we felt like that's just a really powerful way to augment the other work that's happening in the school.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're going to talk with some of the folks who put that plan together. Thank you very much for highlighting Hidden Valley and for spending time with us today to help us better understand this program.

Liz Mumford:
Yeah, it's a pleasure to be here. We just really appreciate the great work that happens at the Trust Lands Administration, with SITFO, at the State Board of Education, and then here at the local level in schools. Amazing work across the state.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks to everyone behind the acronyms that she just mentioned and all the people out there who are working so hard for our students to make sure they have the resources they need.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us. When we come back, we'll talk with some of the people involved in creating Hidden Valley Middle School's Land Trust Plan.

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Anthony Godfrey:
We're here at Hidden Valley Middle School talking with three members of the School Community Council. Introduce yourself, talk about your role on the Council, and your relationship to the school.

Julianne Best:
OK, I'm Julianne Best. I'm the Community Council Chair, or I was when we wrote this plan. I'm now a full-time math teacher here at the school, and I love Hidden Valley.

Bree Ervin:
I'm Bree Ervin. I am co-chair of the School Community Council here at Hidden Valley Middle School. I am also president-elect for our PTSA.

Sterling Hunt:
Sterling Hunt, principal at Hidden Valley Middle. And I was moved here just after winter break on January 2. And so I had the great privilege of really walking into a fantastic School Community Council team.

Anthony Godfrey:
And you've been highlighted at the state level just for the great work on your plan, focused on the highest academic need here at Hidden Valley. So tell us a little bit about what that entails and about your plan and what your focus is as a school with those Land Trust funds.

Julianne Best:
Well, I remember that when we were in that meeting, we wanted it to be very focused on what the kids needed, because we didn't want to be putting extra things where the money wasn't needed. And so for us, we needed a lot of growth with, especially, math and with some of our other subjects. I'm trying to remember what they were like.

Sterling Hunt:
Language arts could use some help in improving student outcomes. Our science team was really leading out building-wide. And we were happy with where they're at. So our goal there was just to continue to sustain that.

Anthony Godfrey:
So what are some of the things that you focused on to help boost those math and language arts scores?

Bree Ervin:
Really want to focus on helping our teachers. Our teachers, if they have more assistance, more time, more peer-to-peer collaboration, then they can better perform to help our children. So we made sure that our teachers had academic coaches. We made sure that they had collaboration days. And over the summer, that they had PLC planning time as well.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what did that look like? You paid for part of that collaboration time over the summer using Land Trust?

Bree Ervin:
Yes, we paid for 15 hours of PLC planning and curriculum alignment over the summer. So whenever our teachers had time to get it done, they got it done instead of trying to squeeze it in during the school year and interrupt instruction time for our students.

Anthony Godfrey:
It really is different when you're able to take a pause over the summer and focus. And there's more work that happens over the summer than most people realize. And it's nice that the School Community Council recognized that and actually compensated teachers for time to be together. How did this feel as a parent to be part of this process and to be able to focus on academics and supporting teachers?

Bree Ervin:
It felt really good. I see what the plan has done. I see how that's playing out currently with my ninth grader and my seventh grader. So it is really nice to see that this is not just words on paper. It is action.

Anthony Godfrey:
You're already seeing an impact with your children.

Julianne Best:
Yeah, as a parent as well, I have to add to that. So my son was in seventh grade last year, and he's eighth grader this year. Elementary school, he was always getting ones on his RISE for math. It was really rough. And so now he's here. And the way that we're doing things, he's getting it. He's getting all threes now.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. I love that.

Julianne Best:
Showing a big difference.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's wonderful.

Bree Ervin:
We've got great teachers here as well. So that definitely helps out of our teaching staff here.

Anthony Godfrey:
You've been here, as you indicated, less than a year, but the end of one academic year and the start of another. Talk to me about the impact of this plan and this School Community Council.

Sterling Hunt:
It's exciting to work, to come in mid-year. It's exciting to meet really engaged parents that are working with us on our School Community Council and PTSA and our other programs in the building. It's exciting to work in a building that has fewer than 3,000 kids where I came from previously at Copper Hills. And so coming here, working with this particular team, these parents were very engaged. Many of them work in the building as subs. They come in when our teachers aren't here in the building. They know our students. They have students here. And so the goal is, as our team, is we know what our challenges are. Let's work together and provide the resources to our teachers and to the students in order to close these gaps.

Anthony Godfrey:
I love how intentional, just as you've described, the Council was about this is our need. What can we do very concretely to help this? And to already see impact is tremendous. Just to close out, tell me what you love most about Hidden Valley Middle School.

Julianne Best:
I love the students. I love the staff, but the kids, they're the center of it. They're wonderful. They're smart. They're funny. They're just amazing little human beings that are getting better every day and getting smarter every day.

Bree Ervin:
I love the community that we have here. My daughter did competitive cheer at a gym. So a lot of the boys and girls that were there go to school with her. So they know me. My son plays tackle football here in Riverton. And I see a lot of the boys that he's played. So I have a lot of extra children here. So it is just a lot of family-oriented love here. And that's what we're here for. We're here to love on these kids and take care of them and protect them, even though they may not like having homework. But that's what's necessary sometimes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Part of the package. Yes.

Sterling Hunt:
I just want to emphasize, we do have a fantastic community here. And there's something special coming down off the hill into this little bowl where Hidden Valley sits. And we know our students. We know our parents. And it's programs like the Land Trust that allows our parents to be involved, really intentionally involved, in what resources we're going to provide our teachers and students to improve student growth, student engagement, overall student success. And I've thoroughly enjoyed that, being here at Hidden Valley, just working with great parents and great faculty and staff members and awesome students with a common goal of, we only get them here for three years. They're going to be the best three years they're going to have.

Anthony Godfrey:
Fantastic. It's a wonderful community, an incredible school. And it's a pleasure talking with all of you today. Thank you for everything you're doing to make this such a great place to be.

All:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you will do today!” We'll see you out there.

Teacher:
I was in complete shock. Like our school, my students, my 14-year-olds, are going to do a performance for her. I mean, I had confidence in the kids, but it was really exciting and a big honor.

Student:
She said, you should go to law school. And at that moment, I hadn't even heard the fact that she said that. I actually just was like so in the zone by answering and like, I gotta be good. Like this is the Supreme Court Justice.

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Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. It is something students, teachers, staff, and invited guests will likely remember for a lifetime. On this episode of the Supercast, hear how a visit to Jordan School District by United States Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor left a lasting impact on the lives of the people she met, even inspiring one student to chase her dream of going to law school and following in the footsteps of Justice Sotomayor.

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Anthony Godfrey
We're talking with some of the people that were involved directly with US Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor's visit. And today we are at Fort Herriman Middle School to talk with a teacher who had a rare opportunity with the Justice. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about what happened.

Teacher:
Yeah, my name is Emma Van de Graaff and I teach eighth grade US history here at Fort Herriman. And this summer I got a call saying, “Hey, we have a really special VIP person coming, and we'd love to have your students join and have your students give their speeches that they did for this project we do called ‘We the People’ and would we be interested?” And of course, when I heard what it was and who it was, absolutely, I was like, “Yes, they will present. I will speak on behalf of them. We are excited to be here and ready to go.”

Anthony Godfrey
And we loved that you were so eager to do it even before you knew all the details about the visit. For those who may not have listened to a previous Supercast episode about We the People, talk about that competition and what it involves and what it means to the kids.

Teacher:
So ‘We the People’ is a nationwide program. Not every state or every school necessarily participates in it. We have been doing it here at Fort Herriman for the past couple of years. We have all of our eighth graders participate. It is basically a mock congressional hearing where each group is given a different topic about the Constitution and they prepare a four-minute speech on that topic and then after they perform their speech, judges will ask them follow-up questions about their topic and they're expected to have evidence from Supreme Court cases, primary sources, current events, all of these different modes of information to back up their opinion. And it really is quite impressive to see eighth graders get this level of depth of knowledge about the Constitution.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's impressive and I'm excited that we do it in so many schools in Jordan School District. You've had great success with this group of students. Talk about that, what happened last year.

Teacher:
Yeah, these students worked really, really hard and did a phenomenal job. So we were able to go to the state competition and this was the first year our school placed first in the state competition. And they were excited. A couple of our top groups got, our top group got 100% like a full perfect score. They did a really good job of just being personable and relating all of these constitutional ideas and theories and court cases to themselves. And the other groups were just so intelligent and so engaged and passionate about what they were talking about. I think that really carried them through.

Anthony Godfrey:
What was it like when you heard who was coming and who you would be doing this for?

Teacher:
I was in complete shock. When they first told me a Supreme Court Justice, I at first assumed a Utah Supreme Court Justice, which is cool. But then when they told me, no, a federal Supreme Court Justice, Sonia Sotomayor, I kind of like just was in shock. Like our school, my students, my 14-year-olds are going to do a performance for her? I mean, I had confidence in the kids but it was kind of overwhelming but also really exciting and a big honor.

Anthony Godfrey:
Talk to us about that day and the impact afterward on you and on your students.

Teacher:
I think what was so cool about it, there's a few different things. First of all, I kept telling my students, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. You are never gonna have a chance to be this close like face to face and just have a real conversation with a Supreme Court Justice. And I wanted them to remember this moment, realize how important it is because I love eighth graders, but sometimes they don't grasp how big of a deal something actually is. And for my students that were presenting, at first they said, “Yeah, absolutely we'll do it.” And as I got closer and closer, they started to be like, “Wait, this is a big deal. Like I am presenting in front of a Supreme Court Justice.”

Anthony Godfrey:
You’re right.

Teacher:
Yeah, and so I told all of them, I was like, “This needs to be in a college application essay for you, like this is a pretty big deal.” And I think they were touched. And one of her main messages was, “You can be whoever you want to be, you can become whoever you want to become.” And I hope that is what students took home from her.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I could see the impact. I got to see that up close. I was on stage with her as we watched your students perform. And it was really incredible. I was very proud of the work that you and your students had done. And just how prepared they are for that day on stage, but also just beyond middle school and beyond their education. Just . . . they're gaining great experiences because of the time you're putting in and the opportunities you're making available to them. So thank you for that.

Teacher:
Thank you. No, I really think ‘We the People’ honestly sets them up to become great citizens. And I truly think that in many ways they have learned and have a greater understanding than many adults in our country do. So, I was glad they were able to kind of show off and bring back a little spotlight to them.

Anthony Godfrey:
This was not just to a US Supreme Court Justice, but there were about a thousand students, high school and middle school there in the audience, which has added pressure on your students. So, it was particularly impressive that they did so well.

Teacher:
They were nervous. You could tell they definitely had, were a little anxious for it to start, but they had practiced this so many times and had prepped at so many different levels the previous spring that I knew they were ready. I kept telling them they were ready. And I told them if they made a mistake on their speech, no one was gonna even know.

Anthony Godfrey:
You know what? I couldn't tell they were nervous, and I heard zero mistakes. It was amazing.

Teacher:
Yeah, they did phenomenal.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you so much for the extra work you do to make this possible, and great things are ahead.

Teacher:
Thank you.

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Anthony Godfrey:
We're talking now with one of the students who was on stage with Justice Sotomayor. Tell us your name and a little bit about your interaction with her.

Student:
My name's Brecklyn Coleman and I got the opportunity to go and present in front of Justice Sotomayor about a ‘We the People’ case that I got to go and present at a state comp and I won the competition. It was about freedom of speech and it was a really cool opportunity that nothing honestly could have prepared me for.

Anthony Godfrey:
You and your team gave Justice Sotomayor and me an opportunity to ask you questions. And I was scrambling like, how can I think of a question that's worthy of how well they've prepared? And she asked you a question that you answered very, very well. Tell us about that.

Student:
They asked me a question about how the school can implement themselves in a situation where a student athlete says something rude outside of the school on a group chat about the coach and then goes back and all the girls are angry at the coach because she went on and said something rude outside of the school environment. And I went on to express how freedom of speech can protect that right, but not if it implements itself in the school environment because that's the coach's job, is to keep the education well, keep everything just in line, and make sure that the school environment and the learning environment doesn't get taken advantage of or changed.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, we have dealt with issues like this, and you absolutely read my mind, and you said exactly the right answer about the school only being able to get involved if it's a disruption to the learning environment. And what did Justice Sotomayor say in response when you gave this complete, accurate, well-thought-out answer?

Student:
She said, "You should go to law school." And at that moment, I hadn't even heard the fact that she said that. I actually just was so in the zone with my answering and I gotta be good. This is the Supreme Court Justice. My answer has to be perfect. This has to be the best thing I've ever said. And I didn't even hear the fact that she said that. So then I went backstage afterward and my whole team was like, "She just told you to go to law school." And I was like, "Oh my gosh, she did." So it was kind of just this crazy moment afterward that I was like, "Dang."

Anthony Godfrey:
Actually, I have to correct you on one point. Justice Sotomayor said, "You need to go to law school." And she meant it, I could tell she meant it. So what were you planning before you heard this and what are you planning now?

Student:
I was planning on going to law school before I heard this. And then I also play like a bunch of sports. So I do CrossFit. So that's like lifting, calisthenics, and just a full thing of working out. So I wanna go pro in that sport. And then I plan afterward to go to law school after I attempt that dream.

Anthony Godfrey:
That sounds like an incredible combination. And I'm sure you're gonna be successful at whatever you try. I was very impressed with you and your teammates and your teacher and all the work everybody did to prepare. But especially on stage, in front of high school and middle school students and the US Supreme Court Justice, to have such calm and such a great answer is super impressive. So, I'm excited to see your career in the future. I know you have great things ahead. And congratulations on having this incredible interaction.

Student:
Thank you so much.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us. When we come back, we'll hear two selections that the Vanguard Jazz Band from Mountain Ridge High School played for Justice Sotomayor.

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Anthony Godfrey:
We're talking now with Cris Stiles, the Director of Bands here at Mountain Ridge High School. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about that night.

Band Director:
Yeah, yeah, I'm Cris Stiles. I've been in the District for about five years now, teaching here at Mountain Ridge. That was such a surreal night. I'm still sort of pondering on what we actually saw and got to hear. She was such a classy and well-articulated woman. And the things she talked about from her role on the Supreme Court to her book. I mean, all of it was just inspiring from top to finish. To really get to play for her and play some tunes that were familiar so she felt comfortable in the space was sort of our whole intent of choosing the literature that we played. Kids played great, she sang along, and I could tell she was touched that we had gone out of our way to find some music that would be familiar to her.

Anthony Godfrey:
She was definitely moved by the performance and the effort that went into preparing songs for her that were familiar. And like you said, it's a really important point. You were making her feel welcome and comfortable. And it was a great way to start off the evening. This was the fireside chat where we had about a thousand employees and their guests along with a few students to visit with Justice Sotomayor. You prepped this very, very rapidly. This is the first week of September. And when we knew that was her availability, we thought, well, student performances, there's not gonna be a lot of lead up time. So tell me about that accelerated process.

Band Director:
Yeah, yeah, two weeks to prepare for a concert is not a whole lot of time, but the Vanguard Jazz Orchestra here at Mountain Ridge, that's sort of what we do. We're the gigging band here on campus. And we put on a gala, a two-night catered meal for a bunch of guests that we put together after the holiday break in January and February. So, we had a month to learn 30 tunes. So learning fast and getting it done is not uncommon for this group. So, I'm grateful in a lot of ways they're the most uniquely suited to learn and do the thing. But yeah, putting it together in two weeks, it was a lot of like, hey, we don't have time. You're not gonna be able to learn this during class, please pick it up at home, do the thing. But we tried to pick literature that was both accessible to play as well as exciting to the listener. So I think a good example of that would be “The Notorious RBG.”

Anthony Godfrey:
Yes, tell us about that selection.

Band Director:
Yeah, yeah, the tune that honors the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a tune originally written for jazz educators at the JE and the Jazz Educator Network Conference in New Orleans. But it's not terribly difficult. It was designed to sort of be something you could read in like one sitting for all these professional educators that go to the conference. They sort of handed it out, and they played it on the spot. So it's got this cool jazz hip hop infusion to it. And I think the kids, it took them a minute to sort of figure out the groove and what was going on. But as soon as it locked in, they were very . . . their ability to read it was right on the ball.

Anthony Godfrey:
You also performed an anthem that is really important to her. It's an unofficial anthem, but it's the anthem of the New York Yankees really, because she's a huge Yankees fan. And if you do your research, she is credited with saving baseball at one point. But anyway, you selected a number of songs that were important to her. Talk to us about that selection.

Band Director:
Yeah, the unofficial winning anthem, when the Yankees win, they play the theme from “New York, New York,” of course made famous by Frank Sinatra. And that was just an easy tune to put together 'cause the kids know it and they could sing it along. We wanted to make sure that we played something New York. No issues, you know, grew up in the Bronx. There's not like a Bronx anthem. There's nothing specifically for the north side of the island.

Anthony Godfrey:
There are a few, but they probably aren't compatible with jazz band performance.

Band Director:
Yeah, yeah, maybe it's hip hop tunes that we could have pulled out, but not here for this instrumentation. But yeah, the Yankees anthem was easy. And then knowing that her parents were from Puerto Rico and had chose to come over and move on to the mainland, "En Mi Viejo San Juan", is sort of the unofficial anthem for those that have moved from Puerto Rico to the mainland.

Anthony Godfrey:
It was such a high for her and such a great performance. She came up on stage and had to have her picture with the jazz band, which was really exciting. And when I heard the research you had done to choose these selections for the band to perform, I went back and I thought, I need to do some more research before I interview her on stage. So you inspired me to dig even a little deeper into her life to be sure I was prepared for that. So, I appreciate the extra effort and that you really leapt into action with all the students to make it such a memorable night for her and for all of us who were there. What's coming up next with the Vanguard Jazz Group?

Band Director:
Let's see, we have our fall concert in October. We'll be performing at the Essentially Ellington Festival at Brigham Young University, which is a big regional festival run by the guys in New York that run Jazz at Lincoln Center. We have region and state jazz that we've qualified for for the last three years. So we're hoping to get that done again, as well as our own, like I mentioned beforehand, our Valentine's Gala in February, our two-night catered meal that is 90 minutes of live jazz with our jazz orchestra and our jazz choir. Each member of the jazz choir gets a solo. So the band gets to play with the vocalist basically all night long, and we get decent catering. So the meal's tasty and the music is good. We turn the lights down real low in the tech atrium and put up a tablecloth on the tables, make it nice and classy and exciting.

Anthony Godfrey:
So lots of opportunities to experience these great performances. Check out the Mountain Ridge website. We'll put a link in the bio and anyway.

Band Director:
Perfect, we'd love to see you there.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, thanks again. And we look forward to future performances this year.

Band Director:
Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're in the hallway now outside of the practice room at Mountain Ridge High School with two of the students that are part of the jazz band that performed for United States Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor. Thanks for talking with us. Introduce yourselves.

Student:
I'm Hewston Knotwell. I play the bass bone.

Student:
I'm James McFarland and I am the lead trumpet.

Anthony Godfrey:
You play the bass bone?

Student:
Yeah, the bass trombone.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, the bass bone. That sounds, when you leave the ‘trom’ off, the bone sounds a lot better. That's really cool. Tell me, what was it like playing for Justice Sotomayor?

Student:
It was really cool. Like, I know I'm probably never gonna get, never going to be able to do it again. Like, I've never even thought that was a possibility to play for a United States Supreme Court Justice. So, it was really cool just like having her there in general and having that opportunity.

Anthony Godfrey:
Did it add any nerves to be playing for her?

Student:
Oh yeah, I'm gonna be 100% honest. I was a nervous wreck. Yeah, before I was sweating up a storm, it was disgusting.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, that's, I guess as it should be, before a big performance, you're getting focused. But you guys kept everyone entertained. They had to come through security. So people were arriving early. So you had a long warm-up before she came in and you got to play for about an hour. I love that people got to see you play and hear you play for that long. People from the community, teachers from other schools that might not otherwise get to hear you play. Tell me what that was like to get to play for an audience like that.

Student:
I mean, that's normally what we do. We do a lot of gigs that are background music for events.

Anthony Godfrey:
So you do that often, but how does it switch? How does the feeling switch when she comes in?

Student:
Oh, it was completely different performance.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

Student:
Like having, just having her there in general is like, okay, wow, we really need to step up.

Student:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
I was really impressed that you pulled off these very specific tunes that were just for her with such a short time. This was the first week of September that she visited. So, what was it like preparing for that?

Student:
I did a lot of personal practice. I would go home after school and I would probably practice for 30 minutes to an hour every day. So, it was definitely like self-reliant. You have to keep the arm in the system or else you wouldn't have put on such a performance.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's something I always think about when I see live musicians perform. I think how many hours of personal practice time were required to make that happen. And since you weren't just pulling things out of the repertoire and it was so early in the school year, that just required a different level of focus.

Student:
As soon as we got there, like I do marching band over the summer. So, one of our school administrators came in and was like, we need a jazz band to play on September 3rd. It was two weeks from that day. So, it was a little bit stressful getting it all together. And our director was also feeling it. He was like, “Oh my gosh, what are we gonna do?”

Anthony Godfrey:
I was just on the side of the stage and I got to watch her reaction as you played this song that meant so much to her. Tell us about the background of that song.

Student:
So in "En Mi Viejo San Juan", our director told us that it was one of the songs that Supreme Court Justice had openly cried about and it's Puerto Rico's anthem.

Anthony Godfrey:
It means a lot to her and her family and I could see that in her reaction because I was standing on the side of the stage and got to watch that. So, well, I was very proud of your performance. I was so thrilled that she got to hear that and that you picked songs just for her. That's an important part of that visit and a memory that will last for a long time for me. So, thank you for all of the effort you put in for doing such a great job.

Student:
Thank you for the opportunity. It was really cool.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now we get to actually listen to performances from the jazz band. Tell us about the two performances we're about to hear.

Band Director:
Yeah, so the two songs that we're gonna play for you today are from the selections we chose for the night for the Supreme Court Justice. Of course, “The Notorious RBG,” a theme honoring the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg as well as "En Mi Viejo San Juan."

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, thank you.

(jazz music)

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you'll do today!” We'll see you out there.

(jazz music)

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Karen Smith:
I played with Andrea Bocelli and Yo-Yo Ma. And...

Anthony Godfrey:
You played with Yo-Yo Ma?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, on my birthday actually.

Anthony Godfrey:
What do you love most about teaching math?

Karen Smith:
Well, where do I start? Teaching math is awesome. I love math, first of all. It's just so fun. The way everything works, it's like a giant puzzle.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Before she was inspiring middle schoolers to love math, South Hills Middle School teacher Karen Smith was performing on stages alongside iconic artists like Stevie Wonder, Yo-Yo Ma, and John Williams. On this episode of the Supercast, we sit down with Ms. Smith to explore her incredible transition from freelance cellist to dedicated educator. Hear how she traded life on stage for a second career in Jordan School District and learn how her unique journey helped her find a passion for teaching math that runs as deep as her love for music. We're talking today with Karen Smith, who teaches math here at South Hills Middle School and is an extraordinary cello player. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your career.

Karen Smith:
My name is Karen Smith. I'm super happy to be here. I started my career as a musician, so I was a professional cellist first, and that started with . . .  after getting my bachelor's degree in Texas at Rice University, my husband actually won a Fulbright to study French horn in Munich. So I went with him and studied cello there. And after about a year I got a job as, it's called a practicontan, which is like an intern at an orchestra called the Württemberger Schaffel-Hermany-Reutlingen. And so I did that for a year, studied in Germany, took some auditions. We kind of got tired of being completely broke and having no money. So we wound up coming back to America and made a home in Texas in Dallas this time, and taught a bunch of lessons there but also had our freelance careers there. So for about 17 years I was freelancing in the Dallas area. I got to do a lot of fun stuff.

Anthony Godfrey:
What does freelancing look like? When you're a freelance musician in the Dallas area, what does that look like?

Karen Smith:
It is incredibly different all the time. So, one day you're playing a concert on stage just standard classical rep with the Fort Worth Symphony and the next day you're playing a church service and the next day you're playing a recording session for a movie score and then maybe a couple days after that year playing a rock concert. It's just all kinds of stuff. Oh, and then maybe like a wedding or a party or...

Anthony Godfrey:
So the whole range?

Karen Smith:
The whole range, yep.

Anthony Godfrey:
And was Dallas a fertile area for you to be able to play cello frequently?

Karen Smith:
It was. It was a great place for freelance work.

Anthony Godfrey:
So tell me, since I'm a pop culture junkie, about some of the movie soundtracks and the concerts that you've played.

Karen Smith:
Okay, so the movie score that I recorded that is most well known, is not that well known. It's for a movie called “A Ghost Story” that starred Casey Affleck, if anyone's familiar with that. And other concerts I've played with people that you might have heard of. My very first rock concert ever was with Don Henley, the lead singer of the Eagles. That was when I was in college. I had no idea who the Eagles were at that point.

Anthony Godfrey:
So were you playing “The Heart of the Matter” in the background there? What did you play?

Karen Smith:
I think it was called “Remember the River” or something. And then I played a concert with Tommy Lee, the drummer from Motley Crew.

Anthony Godfrey:
Motley Crew. Yes.

Karen Smith:
Yes. So he used to have a reality TV show called Rockstar Supernova. And the winner of Rockstar Supernova's prize was to go around the country playing concerts with Tommy Lee. And they hired a string quartet at every stop, and one of the stops was Dallas, so we played a string quartet with Tommy Lee. That was my first ever fist bump on stage, by the way. I had never had a fist bump before, because you know when we were kids, we didn't do that, right? It was like high five.

Anthony Godfrey:
When you played with the symphony, you didn't do a fist bump?

Karen Smith:
There are no . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
No fist bumps as the guest conductor walks off stage, there wasn't a fist bump to the first chair.

Karen Smith:
I feel like there should be.

Anthony Godfrey:
There really should be. But Tommy Lee, the fist bump, that makes sense.

Karen Smith:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Did he throw like drumsticks into the crowd and you threw your bow into the crowd? Or how exactly did that work?

Karen Smith:
My bow cost more than his drumsticks.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. I hope that's fair. That would be a bad idea. So you played for Tommy Lee, but it sounds like he was nice.

Karen Smith:
He was nice.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how was Don Henley?

Karen Smith:
Super nice.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

Karen Smith:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now I understand that on these sorts of gigs, you don't get a lot of notice. It's not like you're practicing for weeks and weeks. It's like, “hey, we need you tomorrow.” Tell me about what the timing looks like.

Karen Smith:
Oh, and sometimes you do get called a little bit more beforehand, but what you don't get ahead of time is the music. Usually you walk in and then the music is on the stand and they're like, “well, this is what you play.” So you have to be adept at sight-reading, being able to play the music the first time you see it. That's just part of our skill set as freelance musicians.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how would you find work as a freelance musician? Would it be word of mouth? Is that mostly what it is? I assume you don't go on Facebook Marketplace and say, "We'll play water music for whatever."

Karen Smith:
It is absolutely word of mouth. So it's helpful if you have like one or two connections in an area when you move there, and they can like vouch for the fact that you are -- you can play your instrument and that you will arrive on time and not just totally forget and sleep through it and be there with a good attitude also. As you can imagine, it's really competitive to get any work. So if you mess up one of those things, you're done.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, you said that your husband played French horn, and I understand that, as I've talked with performers over the years, that the brass has a certain kind of personality. The strings have a kind of personality. So do French horn players generally get along with cellists, or is this a rare combination?

Karen Smith:
That's so funny that you ask that. Yeah, brass players are known to be a little sillier than string players. String players are known to be kind of more serious. Yeah, I should say at this point that my mom is also jealous of my dad as a trombone player, so the whole like brass string thing works well in my family.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, so you were just following tradition.

Karen Smith:
Sure, yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, that's great. So did any of your jobs overlap, you and your husband's work?

Karen Smith:
Believe it or not, only once or twice. Yeah, we were just always going different directions.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow, okay. So what was maybe your favorite gig as a freelance artist or one of your favorites.

Karen Smith:
My very favorite was a concert I got us to play for the Fort Worth Symphony where John Williams was conducting.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh my goodness. You got to perform under John Williams?

Karen Smith:
Yes, yes, we played a bunch of John Williams music under John Williams conducting and it was just fantastic. I mean Star Wars, ET, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, it was, it was amazing.

Anthony Godfrey:
That is wild. So tell me about the schedule for that performance. When, when did you find out this was going to happen and what was he like?

Karen Smith:
Okay. So I did not get much notice for this one. The reason I got called at all was there was a woman who was a member of that cello section whose mother unfortunately passed away. And so at the last minute they needed a sub. And they called me the day before the first rehearsal. So I got the music a day before the first rehearsal. And then that was two days before the concert. So I think that's right. It might have been one day before the concert also. I believe there were two rehearsals and then the concert. So it was quick.

Anthony Godfrey:
What was it like working with John Williams?

Karen Smith:
John Williams is, oh, he's amazing. He's so warm and supportive and encouraging, and he's just magnificent. Like, I've got nothing bad to say. He's just amazing.

Anthony Godfrey:
Was he trying to accomplish anything different with that performance, or was he trying to evoke what people were expecting from music that they've loved for a long time?

Karen Smith:
I think he was having us play it just the classic best way. So it sounds just like on the soundtracks. And that's what we wanted.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's the way to go. Nobody's going to say, “I wonder how he can change these songs that have such memories associated for me.”

Karen Smith:
Absolutely.

Anthony Godfrey:
You've played with Don Henley, you've played with Tommy Lee, you've played with John Williams. Who are some of the other famous people that you've played with?

Karen Smith:
Let's see, I've played with Stevie Wonder twice. The first time was when I was 18, the 1996 Olympic Games came to Atlanta, which is where I'm from.

Anthony Godfrey:
When you were 18, you played?

Karen Smith:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow.

Karen Smith:
That wasn't for money, that was with my youth orchestra, but it was fantastic. It was televised as part of the closing ceremony to the Olympics. And he sang "Georgia."

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, really?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, that was great.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what else have you, what else did you perform with him?

Karen Smith:
Maybe 10 years ago, he was doing his Songs in the Key of Life Tour, and he came through Dallas when I was living there, and he had a string ensemble play with him. We did "Isn't She Lovely?" and I think "Pastime Paradise."

Anthony Godfrey:
Really? Did you do "Superstition?"

Karen Smith:
We only got to play those two with him. He did a lot of numbers without us.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I don't know how the cello would fit into that song, but I can't believe he did his Songs in the Key of Life Tour, and I didn't know about it. I did get to see him once, but there was no symphony with him. That's fantastic. Anyone else?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, I played with Dierks Bentley, the country singer. In 2015, the Academy of Country Music Awards was hosted in Dallas, instead of where it usually is in Nashville. And so they needed a few string players to be on television with Dierks Bentley playing a song called "Riser." So that was really fun to see the whole production element and just be in Cowboy Stadium, packed with people. It was really cool.

Anthony Godfrey:
The production element of an award show.

Karen Smith:
Of an award show on live television, yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's incredible. So you have some range. Tommy Lee, country, John Williams.

Karen Smith:
Yeah, cello can really go anywhere, which is super fun.

Anthony Godfrey:
There's always room for cello.

Karen Smith:
Yes, there's always room for cello. I've played with Andrea Bocelli and Yo-Yo Ma.

Anthony Godfrey:
You've played with Yo-Yo Ma?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, on my birthday actually.

Anthony Godfrey:
Who's it like around the campfire? Like, let's jam, let's grab our cellos.

Karen Smith:
Totally. I mean, he would do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
He would do that.

Karen Smtih:
He would do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
When did you play with him?

Karen Smith:
It was with the Fort Worth Symphony. He was playing the Dvorak Cello Concerto, and I was in the cello section just enjoying every moment.

Anthony Godfrey:
How do you focus on playing when he's right there?

Karen Smith:
It's not easy, but also you don't want to mess up in front of him, right?

Anthony Godfrey:
Right. That's true.

Karen Smith:
So you just make it happen.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Well, nothing will put you in the zone, I guess, than like playing for Yo-Yo Ma or playing with him.

Karen Smith:
Absolutely. It's very inspiring.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. That's a storied career. Cool. Who are some of the people, famous people that you've taught math with?

Karen Smith:
That list is unfortunately very short. That's a much shorter list.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay fair enough. I know that you don't perform as much as you used to not nearly as much but you're still performing. What is your next performance?

Anthony Godfrey:
I'll be playing with the Salt Lake Symphonia on Monday, September 14th. We have a concert at the First United Methodist Church in downtown Salt Lake City at 7.30 p.m. We've got some Mendelssohn, some Bach Double Violin Concerto, and a piece by Britain called “The Simple Symphony.” I think it's gonna be great. I'm really excited.

Anthony Godfrey:
So people would just search Salt Lake Symphonia?

Karen Smith:
That's right.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, great. And we'll put a link in the show notes as well so people can grab a ticket if they're interested in coming.

Karen Smith:
Perfect, thanks.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back. We'll hear performances from Karen Smith and about her journey to becoming a teacher.

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Anthony Godfrey:
So then you switched to become a teacher. Tell me about how that change came to be.

Karen Smith:
Okay, well, after about 17 years in Dallas, We, my husband had switched into the corporate world at this point and he got the opportunity to move to Utah. They didn't tell us we had to, but we decided we want to. We didn't have any family in Texas. And frankly, I hate the weather there. It's so hot, like March to October, it's hot.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's like furnace blow, hot air in your face, all the time hot.

Karen Smith:
Yes, yes. And I also love mountains. So I was like, well, let's go to Utah. So we came out here to Utah and I was trying to get some freelance work. This was about the time that COVID hit, so that was not great. And I started experiencing what it's like to stay home with my family in the evenings, instead of always running around to a gig and getting home between midnight and two in the morning. And I kind of liked it. So at this point, I should also say, I was experiencing some burnout from just being very busy in Dallas. My children were young, they were about five, seven years old. So I started thinking, “maybe I should teach.” And that idea just sounded better and better by the day. So I eventually enrolled in a program through WGU to get my master's in middle school mathematics education.

Anthony Godfrey:
And you've been teaching here at South Hills for your whole career?

Karen Smith:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
And that's six, seven years?

Karen Smith:
I'm starting year eight.

Anthony Godfrey:
Starting year eight. And you were Educator of the Year for South Hills Middle School last year. So I'd say it's gone pretty well.

(laughing)

Karen Smith:
It's gone all right. I love it here. This is a great place to be.

Anthony Godfrey:
What do you love most about teaching math?

Karen Smith:
Well, where do I start? Teaching math is awesome. I love math, first of all. Like, it's just so fun. The way everything works, it's like a giant puzzle. And trying to get students to see that puzzle is like the most amazing thing. I love it.

Anthony Godfrey:
I think that's a really good description. And I'm sure it's rewarding to see the light bulb go on as middle school students get it on various concepts. like, “oh, I figured it out and I know what to do next.”

Karen Smith:
Absolutely, 100%. And we've changed our curriculum recently. We're doing a different style curriculum where they really kind of dive into problems and try to figure out how the problems work instead of us just showing the steps for how to solve everything. And that light bulb moment happens so much more often now. So I'm loving it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Good, I'm so happy to hear that. Do you ever use the cello or music to cross over? I know there's a relationship, but it might be a little weird to pull the cello out in the middle of math class.

Karen Smith:
Yeah, I mean, I wish I could have an excuse to do that, but I haven't figured out how to make that happen and have it actually be relevant to their math learning.

Anthony Godfrey:
So, tell me if I want to sound really cool with a cellist because my brother-in-law plays cello, what can I throw out there? What can I ask him about his cello or the music he's playing that will make me seem like I really know what's going on?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, you could ask him like, what's his favorite recording of the Elgar Cello Concerto? Do you like the Jackie du Prey or the Sol Gebeta better?

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, okay. I mean, I'll listen back to that and write it down and rehearse it, and then I'll ask him that.

Karen Smith:
Do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
I want to blow him away. That's going to be fun. What would you say, I mean, you've been teaching, like you said, for seven years now. It's your eighth year. What would you say to those who are considering maybe a career change into teaching later on?

Karen Smith:
I would say it can be it can be really rewarding. It's always interesting. It's never boring. The students make sure of that. It is a lot of work. You're on your feet all day and you come home tired but it is totally worth it.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're going to hear you now play two pieces. Tell us about the first piece that you're going to play.

Karen Smith:
We're gonna hear a little bit of the first movement of the cello concerto by the great French composer Camille Saint-Saëns. This is a piece of romantic written in France in the 1800s and I just think it's super exciting. And I'll be accompanied by Eric Noyes who is the choir director at our school. I hope you love it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, it lives up to its name. From your description, it is romantic, it does evoke 18^th century France, and I didn’t even have any temptation to check my phone, which should say that I was entranced because this time of day I tend to check my phone about eight times a minute. It was so good and I don't know the technique but the tone of the sound was just beautiful. So thank you for sharing that with us.

Karen Smith:
Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
And let's hear one more. What else are you going to play?

Karen Smith:
I'd like to play “Bring Him Home” from Les Mis.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, here we go.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you for sharing your talents with us today. Thank you for those beautiful performances. Thanks to Eric for accompanying you today, and this has been a real treat.

Karen Smith:
Thank you so much.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you'll do today!” We'll see you out there.