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Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me about Taylor specifically.

Coach:
There was a college coach that came out and visited our high school. He said talent like Taylor is once-in-a-generation talent.

Anthony Godfrey:
Spending a week with those players, did that give you something to reach for?

Taylor:
It was really fun playing with them because I never played with that level of people before.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. As a junior at Riverton High School, she's being called a once-in-a-generation talent and is being recruited by top-tier universities. On this episode of the Supercast, we talk with standout volleyball player Taylor Freeland and her head coach, Kaipo Tagaloa, about Taylor's incredible journey on the court. She shares what it's like training with the U.S. Women's National Team and what drives her on and off the court.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're standing outside the trophy case here at Riverton High School with Taylor. Taylor, introduce yourself and talk a little bit about your time as a volleyball player so far.

Taylor:
My name is Taylor Freeland and I am 16 years old and I'm a junior at Riverton High School. I think I've been playing since like elementary school, like sixth grade, fifth grade. I started rec ball with my friends and we made a team, and they actually kicked us out because we kept beating everybody.

Anthony Godfrey:
They kicked you out of the league, that's how good you were?

Taylor:
Yes, because we made this group with all of our volleyball friends and then they didn't let us play anymore the next season, because...

Anthony Godfrey:
That's a pretty good honor. I would have liked to have been kicked out of a sport because I was too good.

Taylor:
Yeah, it was kind of crazy.

Anthony Godfrey:
Did you play other sports first and then land on volleyball eventually?

Taylor:
I did play basketball probably a little bit before I started volleyball because my mom played basketball, so she put me in that sport, and then I started volleyball a little bit after I played basketball. I played them both at the same time until eighth grade, and then I stopped when high school sports started, and I started playing volleyball.

Anthony Godfrey:
Why did you choose volleyball?

Taylor:
I didn't really like running, so ...

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, fair enough. Not running would really get in the way of being successful at basketball.

Taylor:
Yeah, and I felt like I was better at volleyball so I just pursued it all the way.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, from what I hear you're not only better but you are extremely good, very talented and hardworking and a rare, rare talent. Tell me about...you already have some future plans and some goals. Tell me about that.

Taylor:
I did just this summer. I committed to Wisconsin volleyball and I am super excited and I don't know.

Anthony Godfrey:
Why is it that you loved about Wisconsin?

Taylor:
I liked their coach a lot. I liked their coach and all the girls were so nice. It just seemed like the funnest place to be, the best place to be. They're a really successful team and they have won a lot of things. They're...I don't know. They're just awesome. They seemed awesome and I went to the camp and I didn't know anything about them. I went to the camp and it was just the best thing ever. I was just like, "Okay, I have to hold off. I have more camps to go to and see what's going on." I really like this place and then I just settled on that because they're the best.

Anthony Godfrey:
They became the ones to beat pretty quickly.

Taylor:
Yeah, honestly, yeah. They were hard to beat.

Anthony Godfrey:
How many schools were interested? How many camps did you go to?

Taylor:
I went to four. I went to BYU with most of my teammates because it was nearby and it was one of my options. Then I went to Wisconsin and then I went to Louisville and then I went to Texas A&M.

Anthony Godfrey:
This is as a 15-year-old?

Taylor:
I was 16.

Anthony Godfrey:
You were 16. But the summer after your sophomore year?

Taylor:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's really exciting. I'm sure they're very excited to have you. Talk to me about your team this year.

Taylor:
We lost four seniors last year, but we have one senior this year and she's the best and she's a libero. We have, I don't know how many juniors. Most of our team is juniors, I feel. We have grown a lot since the summer. We started Nebraska camp. I wasn't able to go because I had USA stuff the week before. So I didn't make it to that, but our team went there for camp and summer, and they worked hard and pre-season stuff. Everyone worked really hard. Our first practice I remember, I was like, "This is going to be a good season because the practice was so good. It was so technical. It was so productive. We did so many things." I was like, "If this is already our first week of practice, our first day of practice, this is going to be awesome. We're going to learn so many new things."

Anthony Godfrey:
It sounds wonderful. It sounds like a great team. Now I understand you also trained with the U.S. National Team this summer. Talk to me about that. What does that mean, the U.S. National Team?

Taylor:
It was pretty much a tryout to play for the U19 team or the U23 team for the U.S. National Volleyball Team. I got to go, and it was so fun. It was a week of training. Then they went to go play in Panama, I'm pretty sure, in a tournament against a bunch of countries. It was really cool.

Anthony Godfrey:
U19 and U23, that sounds like you're a few years early for those.

Taylor:
I know. My teammate, actually, the same age as me, she was born in 2010 and I'm born in 2009. That's the difference between the teams because she's on U17 and I'm on U19. I was on the roster for U19. It was just because I was born in 2009, I'm on the older team.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's exciting. What did you learn during that week?

Taylor:
I learned that you have to work hard to get what you want.

Anthony Godfrey:
Spending a week with those players, did that give you something to reach for? Did that give you some vision for what it's like playing at the next level?

Taylor:
Yeah, of course. All the players are so good. It was really fun playing with them because I never played with that level of people before. It was really fun. It made me realize how good …. those are the best of the best. I got to play up to how they play.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's a goal now.

Taylor:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
I understand that your whole family is athletic. Your mom played basketball. Tell us about the rest of your family.

Taylor:
My dad played football at BYU with my mom. She played basketball. Then her last year she played volleyball. That's where volleyball came in. My oldest sister, she did track at BYU. She threw shot. I don't know, she did a lot of things honestly. My brother Blake, he just was at the Colts in the NFL. He got transferred over to the Bengals in Ohio. My middle sister, her name is Marin. She got finished with D-1 volleyball at Arlington, Texas. She just graduated there for her fifth year. My closest sister, I'm the youngest by the way. She didn't graduate. She's a junior, same year as me. She's at High Point University playing D-1 volleyball.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow, that's wonderful. You guys have gone to a lot of each other's games over the years, I suspect.

Taylor:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Let’s talk to your coach a little bit about you. I want to talk to you about Taylor and her skills and her potential.

Coach:
Taylor has amazing potential. I don't think she realizes how good she can be. I'm excited to watch her grow and and I am excited to be her coach to help her grow in that aspect. To become one of the best in the country hopefully.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're just out in the hallway here because they're occupied in the gym. Could you set her up and could you spike it for me?

Taylor:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
I've heard about how fast you hit this ball. They can't see it on the podcast but I want them to hear the ball whooshing through the air.

Coach:
Hit it towards the bleacher maybe. I'll just toss it and then just two step jump.

Taylor:
Just two step jump?

Caoch:
I mean max jump. I'll just toss it like this.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh no. Does that just feel natural to you to smack the ball around like that?

Taylor:
Yeah I love it.

Anthony Godfrey:
I was going to say you're beaming. There's a smile on your face after you hit the ball like that.

Taylor:
Yeah it's so fun.

Coach:
She's not even warmed up and she hit it better than most people hit the ball.

Anthony Godfrey:
Let's see you set the ball.

Taylor:
Okay.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh my goodness that's like breathing. Alright how do you set the ball well?

Taylor:
Okay so this is the high line so you go... Oh you go moose.

Anthony Godfrey:
Moose?

Taylor:
Yeah like you're moose.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay.

Taylor:
And then you like kind of make it like a triangle.

Anthony Godfrey:
Triangle.

Taylor:
And then you go Superman. And then you... But like just push up.

Anthony Godfrey:
Superman. Oh Superman. Okay. Bullwinkle and Superman.

Taylor:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow I actually set the ball.

Taylor:
That was good.

Anthony Godfrey:
You're a very good instructor too.

Taylor:
Thanks.

Anthony Godfrey:
You can coach in your later years.

Taylor:
Yes I'm ready.

Anthony Godfrey:
I can already see that. If you can get me to set and bump then I'm not even going to try to spike. I don't have that spike vibe I don't think.

Taylor:
Okay.

Anthony Godfrey:
But I'm super impressed. I'm impressed with your skills. I'm impressed with your mindset and your approach. And I'm really excited to watch your career.

Taylor:
Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back and Coach Tagaloa shares his journey as a professional volleyball player.

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Anthony Godfrey:
We're talking now with the head girls volleyball coach here at Riverton. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your career.

Coach:
Hi, my name is Kaipo Tagaloa. I'm the first-year head coach here at Riverton High School. I started playing volleyball at 18, so I was a little late bloomer with volleyball, but I was fortunate enough to go play in college at Southern Virginia University. I played under Tom Peterson, who's a three-time national championship head coach. I now compete semi-professionally here in Utah with a team called Salt Lake Apex. My current career has revolved around coaching and playing semi-professional and I love both of it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me about your semi-professional career.

Coach:
Yeah, professional volleyball is very small and not really known for men's volleyball here in the US, but last year was a first year for our team in the league here in the US. And so this is our second season and we did pretty well last year throughout the country, traveling to different states, playing a lot of different teams.

Anthony Godfrey:
And if someone was interested in going to see you play, how would they do that?

Coach:
Because men's professional is a little difficult, there's not games like there would be in high school or college. It's more weekend tournaments where we play a few matches each weekend in different states throughout the country.

Anthony Godfrey:
So you're traveling.

Coach:
Yep. We travel Florida, Midwest, Arizona, Washington, all over the place.

Anthony Godfrey:
So it's fair to say that you represent the state of Utah in semi-professional volleyball.

Coach:
Yeah, pretty much. We have 15 guys on our roster and they're all from Utah.

Anthony Godfrey:
What do you love most about coaching volleyball?

Coach:
The thing I love most is the growth of the individual, mentally and physically with the skill set of the sport, but more so watching them grow as a person and seeing change within them and confidence building along with the technical aspect of the sport of volleyball.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me about this team this year.

Coach:
This team has a great potential to be great. We are working a lot on our mindset and building a confident go-getter “I can” type of a mindset. And as that is being established, their confidence is growing and then their skill is evolving around all of that. And they're able to perform the things that we're drilling and practice every single day.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me about Taylor specifically.

Coach:
Taylor, there was a college coach that came out and visited our high school and did a tour, a top ten D-1 school. And he said talent like Taylor is once a generational talent. And he said her level of skill you don't see that often is what that means. And so she's pretty special. I don't think she realizes how special she is or how good she can be. But she is phenomenal at only a junior in high school.

Anthony Godfrey:
It must be really rewarding to see that talent and get to work with her.

Coach:
Oh yeah, it's awesome to be able to work with someone that could potentially play at the highest level that there is in volleyball.

Anthony Godfrey:
How is the season shaping up and who are your biggest rivals? Who are your biggest targets?

Coach:
We've had a rough shaky start to the season, but we just started region play last week and we played Copper Hills and Herriman High School. And we won both games, very difficult matches, but we were able to win in overtime points, which volleyball usually you play to 25, best of 25. But several of our sets were in 28 to 30 and we won by two points. And after we played Herriman last week, I found out from someone who keeps records that that's the first time in five years we beat them. And so I thought that was a pretty cool thing that I was able to tell the girls the following day.

Anthony Godfrey:
That feels good. Volleyball to me always comes across as a very supportive sport. Like after every point, everybody kind of gathers and supports everybody and then goes back to their spots. Is this a team that supports each other well?

Coach:
Yes, that is something we've been working on really hard. After every point, it's important to huddle with your team. You get in the middle of the court and you just breathe. You go through what just happened, things we need to change and fix. You do all that within 10 seconds. But we're working on a lot of that. Volleyball is one of the most mental sports there is because it's literally a team sport. You can't do it by yourself.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's the beauty of it. There are many additional lessons embedded in a sport that requires that of its participants.

Coach:
Yes. You can't just be a Michael Jordan and expect to win.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's right. Well, thank you very much for talking with us. I really appreciate the time you took to go out of your way to be here. And we're really excited to see what happens this season.

Coach:
Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, Education is the most important thing you'll do today!” We'll see you out there.

Karen Smith:
I played with Andrea Bocelli and Yo-Yo Ma. And...

Anthony Godfrey:
You played with Yo-Yo Ma?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, on my birthday actually.

Anthony Godfrey:
What do you love most about teaching math?

Karen Smith:
Well, where do I start? Teaching math is awesome. I love math, first of all. It's just so fun. The way everything works, it's like a giant puzzle.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Before she was inspiring middle schoolers to love math, South Hills Middle School teacher Karen Smith was performing on stages alongside iconic artists like Stevie Wonder, Yo-Yo Ma, and John Williams. On this episode of the Supercast, we sit down with Ms. Smith to explore her incredible transition from freelance cellist to dedicated educator. Hear how she traded life on stage for a second career in Jordan School District and learn how her unique journey helped her find a passion for teaching math that runs as deep as her love for music. We're talking today with Karen Smith, who teaches math here at South Hills Middle School and is an extraordinary cello player. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your career.

Karen Smith:
My name is Karen Smith. I'm super happy to be here. I started my career as a musician, so I was a professional cellist first, and that started with . . .  after getting my bachelor's degree in Texas at Rice University, my husband actually won a Fulbright to study French horn in Munich. So I went with him and studied cello there. And after about a year I got a job as, it's called a practicontan, which is like an intern at an orchestra called the Württemberger Schaffel-Hermany-Reutlingen. And so I did that for a year, studied in Germany, took some auditions. We kind of got tired of being completely broke and having no money. So we wound up coming back to America and made a home in Texas in Dallas this time, and taught a bunch of lessons there but also had our freelance careers there. So for about 17 years I was freelancing in the Dallas area. I got to do a lot of fun stuff.

Anthony Godfrey:
What does freelancing look like? When you're a freelance musician in the Dallas area, what does that look like?

Karen Smith:
It is incredibly different all the time. So, one day you're playing a concert on stage just standard classical rep with the Fort Worth Symphony and the next day you're playing a church service and the next day you're playing a recording session for a movie score and then maybe a couple days after that year playing a rock concert. It's just all kinds of stuff. Oh, and then maybe like a wedding or a party or...

Anthony Godfrey:
So the whole range?

Karen Smith:
The whole range, yep.

Anthony Godfrey:
And was Dallas a fertile area for you to be able to play cello frequently?

Karen Smith:
It was. It was a great place for freelance work.

Anthony Godfrey:
So tell me, since I'm a pop culture junkie, about some of the movie soundtracks and the concerts that you've played.

Karen Smith:
Okay, so the movie score that I recorded that is most well known, is not that well known. It's for a movie called “A Ghost Story” that starred Casey Affleck, if anyone's familiar with that. And other concerts I've played with people that you might have heard of. My very first rock concert ever was with Don Henley, the lead singer of the Eagles. That was when I was in college. I had no idea who the Eagles were at that point.

Anthony Godfrey:
So were you playing “The Heart of the Matter” in the background there? What did you play?

Karen Smith:
I think it was called “Remember the River” or something. And then I played a concert with Tommy Lee, the drummer from Motley Crew.

Anthony Godfrey:
Motley Crew. Yes.

Karen Smith:
Yes. So he used to have a reality TV show called Rockstar Supernova. And the winner of Rockstar Supernova's prize was to go around the country playing concerts with Tommy Lee. And they hired a string quartet at every stop, and one of the stops was Dallas, so we played a string quartet with Tommy Lee. That was my first ever fist bump on stage, by the way. I had never had a fist bump before, because you know when we were kids, we didn't do that, right? It was like high five.

Anthony Godfrey:
When you played with the symphony, you didn't do a fist bump?

Karen Smith:
There are no . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
No fist bumps as the guest conductor walks off stage, there wasn't a fist bump to the first chair.

Karen Smith:
I feel like there should be.

Anthony Godfrey:
There really should be. But Tommy Lee, the fist bump, that makes sense.

Karen Smith:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Did he throw like drumsticks into the crowd and you threw your bow into the crowd? Or how exactly did that work?

Karen Smith:
My bow cost more than his drumsticks.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. I hope that's fair. That would be a bad idea. So you played for Tommy Lee, but it sounds like he was nice.

Karen Smith:
He was nice.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how was Don Henley?

Karen Smith:
Super nice.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

Karen Smith:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now I understand that on these sorts of gigs, you don't get a lot of notice. It's not like you're practicing for weeks and weeks. It's like, “hey, we need you tomorrow.” Tell me about what the timing looks like.

Karen Smith:
Oh, and sometimes you do get called a little bit more beforehand, but what you don't get ahead of time is the music. Usually you walk in and then the music is on the stand and they're like, “well, this is what you play.” So you have to be adept at sight-reading, being able to play the music the first time you see it. That's just part of our skill set as freelance musicians.

Anthony Godfrey:
And how would you find work as a freelance musician? Would it be word of mouth? Is that mostly what it is? I assume you don't go on Facebook Marketplace and say, "We'll play water music for whatever."

Karen Smith:
It is absolutely word of mouth. So it's helpful if you have like one or two connections in an area when you move there, and they can like vouch for the fact that you are -- you can play your instrument and that you will arrive on time and not just totally forget and sleep through it and be there with a good attitude also. As you can imagine, it's really competitive to get any work. So if you mess up one of those things, you're done.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now, you said that your husband played French horn, and I understand that, as I've talked with performers over the years, that the brass has a certain kind of personality. The strings have a kind of personality. So do French horn players generally get along with cellists, or is this a rare combination?

Karen Smith:
That's so funny that you ask that. Yeah, brass players are known to be a little sillier than string players. String players are known to be kind of more serious. Yeah, I should say at this point that my mom is also jealous of my dad as a trombone player, so the whole like brass string thing works well in my family.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, so you were just following tradition.

Karen Smith:
Sure, yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, that's great. So did any of your jobs overlap, you and your husband's work?

Karen Smith:
Believe it or not, only once or twice. Yeah, we were just always going different directions.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow, okay. So what was maybe your favorite gig as a freelance artist or one of your favorites.

Karen Smith:
My very favorite was a concert I got us to play for the Fort Worth Symphony where John Williams was conducting.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh my goodness. You got to perform under John Williams?

Karen Smith:
Yes, yes, we played a bunch of John Williams music under John Williams conducting and it was just fantastic. I mean Star Wars, ET, Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, it was, it was amazing.

Anthony Godfrey:
That is wild. So tell me about the schedule for that performance. When, when did you find out this was going to happen and what was he like?

Karen Smith:
Okay. So I did not get much notice for this one. The reason I got called at all was there was a woman who was a member of that cello section whose mother unfortunately passed away. And so at the last minute they needed a sub. And they called me the day before the first rehearsal. So I got the music a day before the first rehearsal. And then that was two days before the concert. So I think that's right. It might have been one day before the concert also. I believe there were two rehearsals and then the concert. So it was quick.

Anthony Godfrey:
What was it like working with John Williams?

Karen Smith:
John Williams is, oh, he's amazing. He's so warm and supportive and encouraging, and he's just magnificent. Like, I've got nothing bad to say. He's just amazing.

Anthony Godfrey:
Was he trying to accomplish anything different with that performance, or was he trying to evoke what people were expecting from music that they've loved for a long time?

Karen Smith:
I think he was having us play it just the classic best way. So it sounds just like on the soundtracks. And that's what we wanted.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's the way to go. Nobody's going to say, “I wonder how he can change these songs that have such memories associated for me.”

Karen Smith:
Absolutely.

Anthony Godfrey:
You've played with Don Henley, you've played with Tommy Lee, you've played with John Williams. Who are some of the other famous people that you've played with?

Karen Smith:
Let's see, I've played with Stevie Wonder twice. The first time was when I was 18, the 1996 Olympic Games came to Atlanta, which is where I'm from.

Anthony Godfrey:
When you were 18, you played?

Karen Smith:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow.

Karen Smith:
That wasn't for money, that was with my youth orchestra, but it was fantastic. It was televised as part of the closing ceremony to the Olympics. And he sang "Georgia."

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, really?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, that was great.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what else have you, what else did you perform with him?

Karen Smith:
Maybe 10 years ago, he was doing his Songs in the Key of Life Tour, and he came through Dallas when I was living there, and he had a string ensemble play with him. We did "Isn't She Lovely?" and I think "Pastime Paradise."

Anthony Godfrey:
Really? Did you do "Superstition?"

Karen Smith:
We only got to play those two with him. He did a lot of numbers without us.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I don't know how the cello would fit into that song, but I can't believe he did his Songs in the Key of Life Tour, and I didn't know about it. I did get to see him once, but there was no symphony with him. That's fantastic. Anyone else?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, I played with Dierks Bentley, the country singer. In 2015, the Academy of Country Music Awards was hosted in Dallas, instead of where it usually is in Nashville. And so they needed a few string players to be on television with Dierks Bentley playing a song called "Riser." So that was really fun to see the whole production element and just be in Cowboy Stadium, packed with people. It was really cool.

Anthony Godfrey:
The production element of an award show.

Karen Smith:
Of an award show on live television, yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's incredible. So you have some range. Tommy Lee, country, John Williams.

Karen Smith:
Yeah, cello can really go anywhere, which is super fun.

Anthony Godfrey:
There's always room for cello.

Karen Smith:
Yes, there's always room for cello. I've played with Andrea Bocelli and Yo-Yo Ma.

Anthony Godfrey:
You've played with Yo-Yo Ma?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, on my birthday actually.

Anthony Godfrey:
Who's it like around the campfire? Like, let's jam, let's grab our cellos.

Karen Smith:
Totally. I mean, he would do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
He would do that.

Karen Smtih:
He would do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
When did you play with him?

Karen Smith:
It was with the Fort Worth Symphony. He was playing the Dvorak Cello Concerto, and I was in the cello section just enjoying every moment.

Anthony Godfrey:
How do you focus on playing when he's right there?

Karen Smith:
It's not easy, but also you don't want to mess up in front of him, right?

Anthony Godfrey:
Right. That's true.

Karen Smith:
So you just make it happen.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Well, nothing will put you in the zone, I guess, than like playing for Yo-Yo Ma or playing with him.

Karen Smith:
Absolutely. It's very inspiring.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. That's a storied career. Cool. Who are some of the people, famous people that you've taught math with?

Karen Smith:
That list is unfortunately very short. That's a much shorter list.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay fair enough. I know that you don't perform as much as you used to not nearly as much but you're still performing. What is your next performance?

Anthony Godfrey:
I'll be playing with the Salt Lake Symphonia on Monday, September 14th. We have a concert at the First United Methodist Church in downtown Salt Lake City at 7.30 p.m. We've got some Mendelssohn, some Bach Double Violin Concerto, and a piece by Britain called “The Simple Symphony.” I think it's gonna be great. I'm really excited.

Anthony Godfrey:
So people would just search Salt Lake Symphonia?

Karen Smith:
That's right.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, great. And we'll put a link in the show notes as well so people can grab a ticket if they're interested in coming.

Karen Smith:
Perfect, thanks.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back. We'll hear performances from Karen Smith and about her journey to becoming a teacher.

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Anthony Godfrey:
So then you switched to become a teacher. Tell me about how that change came to be.

Karen Smith:
Okay, well, after about 17 years in Dallas, We, my husband had switched into the corporate world at this point and he got the opportunity to move to Utah. They didn't tell us we had to, but we decided we want to. We didn't have any family in Texas. And frankly, I hate the weather there. It's so hot, like March to October, it's hot.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's like furnace blow, hot air in your face, all the time hot.

Karen Smith:
Yes, yes. And I also love mountains. So I was like, well, let's go to Utah. So we came out here to Utah and I was trying to get some freelance work. This was about the time that COVID hit, so that was not great. And I started experiencing what it's like to stay home with my family in the evenings, instead of always running around to a gig and getting home between midnight and two in the morning. And I kind of liked it. So at this point, I should also say, I was experiencing some burnout from just being very busy in Dallas. My children were young, they were about five, seven years old. So I started thinking, “maybe I should teach.” And that idea just sounded better and better by the day. So I eventually enrolled in a program through WGU to get my master's in middle school mathematics education.

Anthony Godfrey:
And you've been teaching here at South Hills for your whole career?

Karen Smith:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
And that's six, seven years?

Karen Smith:
I'm starting year eight.

Anthony Godfrey:
Starting year eight. And you were Educator of the Year for South Hills Middle School last year. So I'd say it's gone pretty well.

(laughing)

Karen Smith:
It's gone all right. I love it here. This is a great place to be.

Anthony Godfrey:
What do you love most about teaching math?

Karen Smith:
Well, where do I start? Teaching math is awesome. I love math, first of all. Like, it's just so fun. The way everything works, it's like a giant puzzle. And trying to get students to see that puzzle is like the most amazing thing. I love it.

Anthony Godfrey:
I think that's a really good description. And I'm sure it's rewarding to see the light bulb go on as middle school students get it on various concepts. like, “oh, I figured it out and I know what to do next.”

Karen Smith:
Absolutely, 100%. And we've changed our curriculum recently. We're doing a different style curriculum where they really kind of dive into problems and try to figure out how the problems work instead of us just showing the steps for how to solve everything. And that light bulb moment happens so much more often now. So I'm loving it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Good, I'm so happy to hear that. Do you ever use the cello or music to cross over? I know there's a relationship, but it might be a little weird to pull the cello out in the middle of math class.

Karen Smith:
Yeah, I mean, I wish I could have an excuse to do that, but I haven't figured out how to make that happen and have it actually be relevant to their math learning.

Anthony Godfrey:
So, tell me if I want to sound really cool with a cellist because my brother-in-law plays cello, what can I throw out there? What can I ask him about his cello or the music he's playing that will make me seem like I really know what's going on?

Karen Smith:
Yeah, you could ask him like, what's his favorite recording of the Elgar Cello Concerto? Do you like the Jackie du Prey or the Sol Gebeta better?

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, okay. I mean, I'll listen back to that and write it down and rehearse it, and then I'll ask him that.

Karen Smith:
Do that.

Anthony Godfrey:
I want to blow him away. That's going to be fun. What would you say, I mean, you've been teaching, like you said, for seven years now. It's your eighth year. What would you say to those who are considering maybe a career change into teaching later on?

Karen Smith:
I would say it can be it can be really rewarding. It's always interesting. It's never boring. The students make sure of that. It is a lot of work. You're on your feet all day and you come home tired but it is totally worth it.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're going to hear you now play two pieces. Tell us about the first piece that you're going to play.

Karen Smith:
We're gonna hear a little bit of the first movement of the cello concerto by the great French composer Camille Saint-Saëns. This is a piece of romantic written in France in the 1800s and I just think it's super exciting. And I'll be accompanied by Eric Noyes who is the choir director at our school. I hope you love it.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, it lives up to its name. From your description, it is romantic, it does evoke 18^th century France, and I didn’t even have any temptation to check my phone, which should say that I was entranced because this time of day I tend to check my phone about eight times a minute. It was so good and I don't know the technique but the tone of the sound was just beautiful. So thank you for sharing that with us.

Karen Smith:
Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
And let's hear one more. What else are you going to play?

Karen Smith:
I'd like to play “Bring Him Home” from Les Mis.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay, here we go.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you for sharing your talents with us today. Thank you for those beautiful performances. Thanks to Eric for accompanying you today, and this has been a real treat.

Karen Smith:
Thank you so much.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you'll do today!” We'll see you out there.

Brooke:
We do. Some of our most exciting trends are happening in math, well, in math, English language arts and science. So we are element . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
In other words, in every area in which we are tested.

Brooke:
In every subject. We are excited about everything.

Ben:
As we're bringing on more AP subjects and more students taking classes and taking the tests, those pass rates are increasing. That's what we want to see.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Have you ever wondered what enrollment looks like in Jordan School District? How about where reading scores are headed, or how we're doing on graduation rates? On this episode of the Supercast, we are drilling down on Jordan School District data with our very own experts who simply love crunching the numbers and sifting through statistics. Listen and find out why we have a lot to celebrate, and why hard work done by students, teachers, staff, and parents is paying off.

Anthony Godfrey:
We are talking today with Ben and Brooke about Jordan School District by the numbers. Would you please introduce yourselves and talk a little bit about your role in Jordan School District?

Brooke:
Well, hello. My name is Brooke Anderson. I'm the data scientist for Jordan District. I've been here in Jordan District for over 10 years now. It's been great.

Anthony Godfrey:
Awesome.

Ben:
I'm Ben Jameson. I'm the Director of Assessment Research and Accountability, and I'm excited to be here.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me about some of the things that you oversee in the department. What are some of the things that you work with?

Ben:
So I oversee all of the state and federally mandated assessments, as well as surveys between Brooke and I, we work a lot with the data in the District, and help schools with school improvement projects as well.

Anthony Godfrey:
And Brooke, as a data scientist, you do a lot to support the work in our schools. Talk about what your relationship is with Teaching and Learning.

Brooke:
Oh, I love answering questions. So my main relationship is, I hope people will ask me a question. So, you know, we have a lot of initiatives. We have implementations, and there's always questions. Is this going well? Is this effective? So I try to help District leaders answer those questions. Teachers and school leaders have those same questions. They want to know what's happening, what's going to happen, was the thing that we tried working out. So I love meeting with teacher teams and helping them understand what they can do with the data that they have, and what it all means, and whether or not what they're doing is effective. And I will say it's great because almost all the time I get to tell people that their hard work is really paying off, and we all love that.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. And it's great to have the backing of a data scientist telling you, “yeah, this is working.” This is doing what you think it's doing. Or let's adjust it a little bit. Let's see what we can, let's see what we can tweak. Because we don't want just action, we want progress. And that's what we want to talk about today, is, you know, many of the areas that we're focused on in the District and the progress that we're making. But let's start with this. Our demographics are changing, and our enrollment is going down. And this is true of, I think, most, if not every district in the state and really throughout the country. Talk about some of those trends in enrollment in Jordan School District.

Brooke:
It is true of every district in our state. So overall, as a state, we are seeing fewer students coming into the school system over time in these recent years. And then in our district, we've seen about a 2%, a little over 2% drop, between the 2025 school year and the 2026 school year. So we'll see how it turns out for this school year. But that drop is really happening in our kindergarten enrollment. So we have fewer kindergartners coming in, even though our high schools are bigger than they've ever been. We have more students in high school than ever, but we have fewer kindergartners than we've seen in a while.

Anthony Godfrey:
Which translates eventually into fewer high school students than we've seen in a long time, depending on who moves in in the meantime. And, you know, these are trends that we track in a very different way than we used to. When I started many years ago in the District Office, we would drive through neighborhoods and new neighborhoods and say, “oh, we see some basketball standards, some, you know, bikes in the front yard. Looks like there'll be some kids in this neighborhood,” as opposed to the very specific methods that we have for determining just how many students to expect from a particular neighborhood.

Ben:
That's funny. I used to do that, too. When I was in a school, I would drive around the neighborhoods just to get kind of a feel for what's happening, look for new builds, look for younger kids playing in playgrounds and that kind of thing. That actually was kind of fun, even though we certainly have a much more scientific, data-savvy way to do that now.

Anthony Godfrey:
We have access to birth rate data and that sort of thing. And the trend overall, long term, will pick up again. Our enrollment will grow once again, but the economy and other things are impacting that for now. But in the meantime, great things are happening for the students that we have. I want to talk about Acadience reading, and Acadience reading is the way that we measure literacy at the elementary level. So talk to me about—let's talk about students starting elementary and ending elementary heading into middle school. What did those literacy rates look like? And there's a lot to celebrate there.

Brooke:
There is. And I was really pleased to be out at two middle schools just last week talking to them about the literacy rates for their incoming seventh graders and how those students were more prepared than ever to read on-grade level, complex text, because our sixth graders are leaving sixth grade, leaving elementary school with higher literacy rates than we've seen before. Right now, about 83.5 percent of them are reading at the expectation at benchmark.

Anthony Godfrey:
And what that means is students are reading at the level you'd expect them to as they enter seventh grade, in the '80s. Now, we would love that to be 100 percent. We want that to be better. But it's better than it's been for a long time, if not better than ever.

Ben:
Actually, it is. In terms of sixth graders exiting out of the elementary program and into our middle school program, they're at their highest literacy rate ever. And that is exciting. That means, as Brooke said, they're more prepared for seventh grade. But that also is indicative of the growth of our elementary program in terms of literacy instruction. And so that's exciting as well.

Anthony Godfrey:
Talk about what testing looks like in literacy at the elementary level, beginning of year, middle of year, end of year.

Ben:
So we use the Acadience Reading Assessment, which is actually a screener. Its job is to identify whether or not a student is at risk for later literacy issues. And it simply gives us a yes or no. Yes, a student is at benchmark, or no, a student is not at benchmark, and intervention is needed. And we have a team of testers that go around to each of our elementary schools, and they meet with kindergarten through third grade students in a one-on-one setting for anywhere between five to 15 minutes. And they administer various measures that measure things like for sound fluency, or a capacity for students to blend words, or they'll read texts. And then we're looking at word count accuracy over a minute, and that kind of thing. So the assessment is really one-on-one between a tester and a student, and it gives us some good information about where that kid is in terms of their reading ability and what kind of intervention we maybe need to look at to help them improve their reading skills, if that's needed.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you for describing just how complex and sophisticated that testing is. Let's talk about kindergarten, 80% at or above benchmark, which is our highest ever. Explain that a little bit.

Brooke:
So our kindergartners obviously have done wonderful things, and our kindergarten teachers have done wonderful things. We've had a really great program at the District level called Planet Kindergarten, where our literacy specialists are bringing our kindergarten teachers in, offering them a lot of support, a lot of professional development, helping them see, okay, here's what we do with students who are coming in, with the wide variety of skills they might need help with, and trying to get to the point at the end of kindergarten where they're well prepared for first grade. Because one of the things we really want to avoid is that kind of summer slide between kindergarten and the beginning of first grade. It's great if we can get students to read by the end of kindergarten. They still have to be doing it when they come back as a first grader.

Anthony Godfrey:
These are kindergartners who are very well prepared, and we want to start where they are and take them to the next planet from Planet Kindergarten. I loved getting to see Planet Kindergarten in action last year. Planet Kindergarten involves very specific goals that students are trying to reach by the beginning of November, letter names and sounds. Now we have goals about the number of words they can read by the end of the year, and it's really exciting. There's no grade level where you get to see more progress, I think, than in kindergarten just from the start of the year till the end, and it's very exciting. And this success, as you said, is really because of family support and our kindergarten teachers diving in and trying some new things and doing really incredible work. Anytime I see our District literacy team, they are dressed in various costumes or t-shirts depicting favorite kids' books. They are on-brand at all times, all in, and that's typical of everyone in our Teaching and Learning department that's helping support our teachers and coaches and administrators out there in our schools.

Brooke:
And I'll also add our secondary literacy team, our secondary literacy team of one, Brandee Bergum, has been doing fantastic work, which is why we see such a gain in ELA proficiency in middle schools. She's got teachers working with the University of Utah Reading Clinic in order to help support students at every reading level in a middle school setting, and we really see those results coming through.

Anthony Godfrey:
Brandee's just done a great job of involving the University of Utah to make sure that all of our secondary reading teachers have the same understanding of literacy instruction and are able to help those students who may have fallen through the cracks catch up and accelerate those who are ready for more. Now, there's a lot of discussion at the state level around literacy, and, you know, that retention is an option in third grade in ways that it hasn't been before. How is that changing the way that we look at literacy in our District?

Brooke:
One of the things we're very focused on is trying to intervene as early as possible, which is why we use the Acadience Reading Screener. What we're looking for is, “how can we resolve any reading difficulties a student demonstrates in kindergarten or first grade?” So by the time we get to third grade, retention based on their reading skills isn't an option. So we really are trying to get students to show growth and show greater proficiency and respond to their interventions.

Anthony Godfrey:
It feels great every year when I get to say that we've had the best kindergarten reading scores we've ever had, and I get to say that year after year.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back. We discuss graduation rates in Jordan School District and what they mean.

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Anthony Godfrey:
Let's talk about RISE scores. Tell me about RISE scores, talk to folks about what that means, and we have a really good upward trend.

Brooke:
We do. Some of our most exciting trends are happening in math, well, in math, English language arts and science. So we are element . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
In other words, in every area in which we are tested.

Brooke:
In every subject. We are excited about everything. I'm really excited to see the work that our science team has done in the elementary school. We've implemented a curriculum that's very hands-on, teaching students to think through the scientific process, to demonstrate what they know.

Anthony Godfrey:
And they've made it competitive in a positive, friendly, fun way. The pony races are really taken off. Kids are eager to make sure that they're learning everything they're supposed to and beyond.

Brooke:
That is our science team in a nutshell, Rachel and Lynn. They are fun.

Anthony Godfrey:
They are a blast.

Brooke:
And they help people be eager to learn. And it really shows in what students have been able to demonstrate about their science thinking skills on the RISE test. We've got the highest science scores in elementary that we've ever seen. And it's been a huge improvement over, you know, five years. We see a five-year increase of 16%, 10% in certain grade levels. It's fantastic.

Ben:
The cool thing, particularly about the RISE science test, is that it's not just your standard multiple-choice test. Kids are actually running experiments, and they're collecting data during the test. And the best assessment is one where students are learning, and they're participating in the learning experience, not just demonstrating knowledge or recalling information. The RISE science is very interactive, and it's very much aligned with science reasoning skills. So they'll go through the scientific process as they take the assessment. So students actually tend to like taking the assessment because it's interactive. It's interesting. I have three boys, all of whom have taken the RISE multiple times, and the science one is their most favorite because it's interactive.

Anthony Godfrey:
I guess that's an occupational hazard that your sons are going to have to be asked what their favorite standardized test was. Not many parents are asking that, so bravo, Ben, for checking in on that. But you're right. It's hands-on. Let me just summarize some of the numbers. Our middle schools are on a four-year upward trend in language arts scores and a six-year upward trend in mathematics scores. Science is also on a six-year upward trend at all grade levels with a 7% point gain. There's an 8% point gain in elementary schools over the last six years on RISE and a 7% point gain in middle schools over the last four years. So a lot of great things happening, a lot of intentionality around our instruction, and teachers, students, and parents are doing an incredible job.

Brooke:
I also have to shout out our math team. I'm looking at our results for seventh grade math, which is such an important year for math. If we want students to succeed through middle school and high school, we know they need a strong foundation in seventh grade math. There's a lot of algebra concepts that are going to be the foundation for everything else. And we see a huge increase over the last five years in the number of students able to be proficient in demonstrating those skills. So great job to our math team and working with our teachers to open up math discourse, to have students dive into that kind of math problem solving in class, and get them thinking more about how to be mathematicians.

Anthony Godfrey:
They've done a lot of heavy lifting, our math specialists, really transforming the way that we teach math, where we start with a little bit of a struggle. Here's a problem. How are you going to solve this? And then it leads the student to that direct instruction, this is how it's done. This is how we get to that answer. And that's very satisfying. And they've done a tremendous job of supporting teachers in looking at problem solving in a different way. And as you said, it's translated into not just better math scores, but mathematical thinking at a deeper level with our students.

Ben:
So I think the cool thing about all three subject areas and the teams that are working to enhance our instruction and the teachers that are working hard as well is the fact that RISE is a rigorous assessment. And the fact that our scores are going up means that our instruction is growing in rigor as well, which means that our students are growing in their capacity to think critically. That's really, that's our vision for our students as they move through Jordan's educational program and graduate with the capacity and the skills to think critically in the world around them.

Anthony Godfrey:
I worry that I've left people out. Let me just say there is enthusiasm, energy, creativity, and intentionality from our teachers at every level, from all of our specialists and consultants in Teaching and Learning. It's just, it's really exciting to see. And we're making progress over the last few years, unlike we've experienced before. And that's a team effort. That's everybody working together. Let's talk about AP exams. When we're looking at AP, we're looking at participation because we want a lot of students to be a part of that and feel prepared for that. And then we're also looking at the outcomes. Are we providing support to students so that they're getting the scores they're hoping for? Talk to me about both aspects of AP testing in Jordan School District.

Brooke:
So students can take an AP class and not necessarily take the test, which obviously isn't the outcome that we want. If you're taking the AP class, we want you to take the test. And so we've done a lot of work, especially Chris Richards-Khong, to make sure that students can access the test. If they need help paying for the test, we can help them do that. We've seen a huge jump in participation, at least 10 percentage points over the last 10 years. So we want, right now we're sitting at about 87 percent of students who take an AP class will go ahead and take the test, which is fantastic. We want that to go even higher, but it's a lot of great progress.

Anthony Godfrey:
Just to cite the statistic here, over the last 12 years, there has been a 93 percent increase in the number of exams being taken by students in Jordan School District. So our efforts to provide that next level of instruction and achievement is working, and that's counselors and teachers and administrators all working together and parents supporting that. Talk to me about the pass rate overall for middle schools and high schools, Ben.

Ben:
The pass rate for middle schools has increased 12 percentage points over the last four years, which is pretty exciting. Normally you would expect as participation rates increase, there's at least the chance that pass rates will decrease, but that's not the case. We're seeing both increase. For high schools, the pass rate has increased nine percentage points over the last four years. So as we're bringing on more AP subjects and more students taking classes and taking the test, those pass rates are increasing. That's what we want to see.

Anthony Godfrey:
All right. Now let's talk about the granddaddy of them all, the graduation rate. That has been looking great for a while now.

Brooke:
Yes. So we've been able to get a percentage point kind of added to our graduation rate pretty steadily over the last 12 years, which is fantastic. If we look from our 2025 rate, which is our last official rate, we're still working on finalizing our 2026 rate. Our last official rate in 2025 was 91.8. And if we look back to 2015, it was 85.3. So that's a really steep increase over time. And it's contributed to by our middle schools, our high schools. It's a lot of work to get more kids over that finish line.

Anthony Godfrey:
And we talked about those kindergarten reading scores. That's where graduation rates start, is helping make sure that students have a wonderful foundation in kindergarten. Now, talk about what that graduation rate really means, because the dropout rate is different based on the way that we're required to report that. There's this impression that 8 percent of our students are dropping out, and that's not the case.

Brooke:
So our dropout rate is based on the fact that once a student hits ninth grade, we are responsible for their graduation outcome. Until they enroll somewhere else, we need to know what happened to that student. And so a lot of the students who are in our dropout rate didn't actually drop out. One, they might have gone to a different place and just not told anybody, so we can't find them. They're an unknown. They might have transferred to adult ed, and that would count against our graduation rate as well. They might have withdrawn, or they might have a pending graduation, where they said, “you know, I didn't graduate on time, but I'm really trying by October,” and maybe they do it, and maybe they don't. So there are different kinds of flavors of dropout, and students who say, “I'm dropping out of school, I'm not doing this anymore,” we have actually lowered that rate down to about half a percent. That's a couple dozen kids. So we want that to be even lower than that. We don't want any student deciding, “I'm done with school, I'm going to drop out, I'm not finishing.” But we have managed to lower that down to a very, very low level.

Anthony Godfrey:
And it requires a little CSI work sometimes, a little detective work when someone registers for one quarter in ninth grade, and then they move to Virginia, and we don't know exactly where to transfer them to. They're counted as a dropout just because they've moved, and we haven't been able to transfer that. Sometimes it's just a matter of tracking the records properly and entering things correctly. So when you say that we're still calculating the 2026 graduation rate, that's because we're sifting through that data to be sure that it's accurate. It's very encouraging to see so many students graduating, and for graduation to mean more and more because of the increased rigor and the increased opportunities that are available to students. Well, thank you for all of the work that you do to help us improve our practice, to know where we stand, and to know what we need to do next. So I really appreciate all your support, and thank you for having so much good news to share.

Ben:
It was a pleasure. Thanks for having us.

Brooke:
I always love sharing good news.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you'll do today!” We'll see you out there.

Jane:
The big ones that we have open that we're really still seeking are the special education support professionals that are working in the special education classrooms, our classroom assistants, our nutrition services, and our sub bus drivers and sub bus assistants.

Mike:
Our substitute pool is really somewhere where you can get your foot in the door. We're really looking to hire licensed substitutes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. In Jordan School District, we like to say come for the job and stay for the adventure. On this episode of the Supercast, we take a look at career opportunities available in Jordan School District in the classroom and beyond. They are jobs that support students and education every single day. Listen and find out who we are looking to hire right now and how to apply if you are interested in joining the Jordan School District team.

Anthony Godfrey:
We are talking today with two of our administrators in the Human Resources Department about job opportunities here in Jordan School District. Introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your background.

Jane:
I am Jane Olson. I am the Talent Acquisition Administrator here in Jordan School District.

Mike:
Dr. Mike Trimmel and I am the Assistant Director in HR over Talent Development. I've been a principal and assistant principal for the past 15 years.

Anthony Godfrey:
Let's talk about some of the job opportunities in Jordan School District right now. Jane?

Jane:
So right now we have very few of our licensed positions still open. As of today, there is only eight licensed teaching positions and then an additional 10 athletic coaching positions that, you know, have an hourly period where they can teach. But the big ones that we have open that we're really still seeking are the special education support professionals that are working in the special education classrooms, our classroom assistants, our Nutrition Services and our sub bus drivers and sub bus assistants. Those are our big opportunities at the moment.

Anthony Godfrey:
What are some of the positions that are always open? Where we, there are certain positions where we're always looking for somebody.

Mike:
Yeah, I would say definitely our special education, educational support professionals. The educational support professionals in our special education classrooms typically we have openings year-round in that setting.

Anthony Godfrey:
And they're sometimes referred to as a classroom aide; that might be the more common nomenclature that we would use for that position. So it's part-time, many times, but sometimes it's full-time with benefits, helping support the teacher in providing instruction for and supporting students. And that can be working with students with a wide variety of needs.

Mike:
Correct.

Anthony Godfrey:
Talk to me about bus drivers also.

Jane:
Yes, with our bus drivers, we're typically looking to build that substitute bus driver pool as large as we can and then that's where our primary recruitment pool for our full-time positions come out of, that sub bus pool. So it's essential for us to have a really good set of sub bus drivers. We're looking for the best people with the best personalities and making sure that we get them the credentials that they need because we pay them to get their CDL.

Anthony Godfrey:
So that's part of it is you get paid to get your CDL and this is a unique position as is a classroom aide position, where you get a lot of opportunity to work with students directly and build those relationships. For some students, the bus driver or the classroom aide looms very large in their lives, and those relationships are very important.

Mike:
Absolutely. I would say the the classroom assistants in special ed classrooms, they really build a wonderful relationship with each of the students and same thing with the bus drivers, right? It's the usually the first person and the last person that a student sees in the day is the bus driver.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, you get to know people, you're in their neighborhood, it's it's it's a great position and you get that CDL training which is a nice bonus. Let's talk about the licensed position, that there's a particular reason that we have as many licensed openings as we do at the elementary level.

Jane:
Yeah, I think it's important to remember that what you're seeing right now is not because people are leaving. We recently, the Board approved us to start a process where we're going to be selecting and recruiting gifted and talented specialists part-time at every elementary school in Jordan School District. So that is potentially 24 up to 48 positions that we would be looking for to fill, and we did we started with 14 of those schools this year. So some of those openings are because we created them, not because people left.

Anthony Godfrey:
The licensed positions are harder to come by for candidates and we've had a large number of applicants this year probably larger than we've had in my memory at least. Talk to us about the numbers and how they've evolved over the years.

Jane:
Yeah, so back when I started as the HR specialist about four years ago, we were averaging about 50 to 60 qualified candidates for elementary pools. Now our average over the course of a school year, so even when we've got a position that's only open for a couple of days, we're averaging 96 applicants per position, with our high this year of 195 for a second grade position at Riverton Elementary School. So when we're talking about qualified candidates, we're talking about candidates who have a professional elementary educator license. It's allowed us to really focus in on the high-quality instruction that you know the strategic plan really indicates is something that is a strong Board priority.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now let's talk about something you mentioned, and that is even when jobs are only posted for a couple of days, jobs go through different phases where they're posted for a longer period of time during a certain part of the year, and then they aren't posted as long, starting I believe in August. So speak to that timeline and what that looks like.

Jane:
So that timeline is, starting March 1st is when we post all of our positions that are generally filled. Our hard to fill positions actually start as far back as January 1st and then once we hit the March 1st, they are open for five business days. Once we hit June 1st, that narrows the timeline significantly because it's kind of our crunch time. We want to make sure that we get all the qualified educators that we possibly can prior to the first day of contract, so it could be as few as one day but as many as five. So really, those timelines start to ratchet down about June 1^st. So we're in that crunch time where we're typically seeing two to three days on an elementary or even middle school or high school license position.

Anthony Godfrey:
So if you are applying in the spring when most options are available, you may have to wait a little bit before interviews even start, but at this time of year over the summer, you really can expect interviews to happen pretty quickly and that's by policy. That's negotiated policy with our employee groups that those interviews happen on a different timeline. Now one thing that I've seen over the years is that you know if you're one of nearly 200 candidates and you're really trying for a position, don't lose hope because there are things that happen as the year approaches were even into the start of the year that we don't expect. People have to move things happen in their lives, and we do still hire at times that you wouldn't expect so I would say keep looking and keep applying. Talk to me about that.

Mike:
Absolutely. What I would say is I would tell people not to lose hope, right. Apply, keep checking, and get your foot in the door somewhere. Our substitute pool is really somewhere where you can get your foot in the door. We're really looking to hire licensed substitutes. We have a lot of substitutes in our District, and so we're really looking for high-quality licensed substitutes right now. So if you can get your foot in the door, you have a good opportunity when positions open to have your application looked at.

Anthony Godfrey:
And teachers and administrators really appreciate someone who's done a good job as a substitute, and then when they have an opening and they have a need, it's like, “Hey, wait a minute, maybe there's someone we could pick up.”

Mike:
Absolutely.

Anthony Godfrey:
This is not just about the numbers. When you have a large number of applicants, then you end up with highly qualified, as you mentioned, highly motivated applicants who are really ready to be very effective in the classroom. Talk to me about how this has impacted student instruction to have such a good candidate pool.

Mike:
Yeah absolutely. What we've seen is having such a large candidate pool allows administrators to really dig deep into those applications and find the qualities and characteristics that align with Jordan School District, and interviewing top candidates and being able to select top candidates. Once we've selected those top candidates, we already know that they align with the . . .  they have the characteristics that we're looking for, they align with our values, and they're motivated to be high-quality teachers that our students deserve.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back more from the Human Resources Department about opportunities in Jordan School District.

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Anthony Godfrey:
Where do people go if they want to apply?

Jane:
So we always accept digital applications on our website hr.jordandistrict.org, and then you would hit the “apply here” button. It's really big so it's kind of hard to miss. But if you ever have questions you can always reach out to us. We have our contact information on our website which is recently updated so you'll be able to reach out to the right team and the right group of individuals to help you find that perfect job.

Anthony Godfrey:
And there has been an expansion in the Human Resources Department. We've added personnel, we've shifted personnel's responsibilities so that we can provide the best support possible. We've added benefits for employees, so we really are doing a lot to try to attract the very best for our students.

Jane:
Absolutely, I would add that you know we are really focused on becoming a world-class HR department and that's not world-class in terms of education. We're talking world-class, competing with some of the biggest organizations, Fortune 500. That is our goal and where all of our aims are headed. We want to be known as some of the best, so we want to provide not only the best quality candidates for our students and for our schools, but the best quality experience for our employees that always results in great results for students.

Anthony Godfrey:
We have an onboarding process to welcome employees and make them feel part of things and give them the information they need. We also have a new educator induction that we've done for a few years, and although there are fewer positions this year with dropping enrollment, we have hundreds of new educators coming that we’ll be welcoming with a full day of activities and events.

Jane:
Yeah, I think it's important to note that when we hire educators, we don't just hire educators; we celebrate them before we ever take attendance. We want them to know that we're ready for them, that they have names and connections, and they know who their resources are- not only those names and connections but they're building relationships with the people around them. We know that another part of the the pillars of the Portrait of a Graduate is that culture of belonging and that extends not just to students; it extends to all of us. So because when you have a culture of belonging, you not only join an organization you stay.

Anthony Godfrey:
I love speaking to that group each year; it's a mix of brand new teachers who are just starting out their career, others who are restarting their career or shifting their career over to Jordan School District, and it's fun to see that energy and excitement around teaching and around the classroom. Now over the years, the Board has supported adding various personnel, various positions, and resources to help make sure that we are supporting all of our employees in every way possible. Talk about some of those changes over the years.

Mike:
So Jordan School District and the Board of Education have been so supportive with providing positions in the District that at the end of the day, provide support for students. Every elementary school has a school counselor, every elementary school has a school psychologist. Now the District is adding a gifted and talented specialist to every elementary school so that students have access to the highest quality education possible. So when we are saying that we have these openings, it's not just because people have left or are leaving; it's because the Board is authorizing additional personnel to benefit students.

Jane:
I think to add to that it's deepening our commitment to the Portrait of a Graduate. When you see openings at Jordan don't read them as people leaving. Read them as the Board investing in your students. We created these positions on purpose because Portrait of Graduate isn't just a poster on a wall. It's a staffing plan and a recruitment strategy.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're very intentional about who we're looking for and what we need them to be able to provide to students, and it's very rewarding. It's a rewarding job regardless of what you're doing, you're helping support students in Jordan School District. Talk about coaching positions. There are some athletic coaching positions out there that include one class period as part of the teaching, so they're listed as a teaching position, and that's not uncommon for athletic coaching. So talk about what those coaching positions look like.

Jane:
We are looking for people who are passionate about that particular sport. You'll see anything from basketball to soccer to track and field, volleyball, off-the-ball.

Anthony Godfrey:
We offer them all.

Jane:
We offer them all, yes. But what's really important is that one period is you're going to be teaching and coaching those skills and those traits that you want to see in a superstar athlete and making sure that you're supporting that community at that school. It's essential for us to have the right coaches because it's not just about what they do here in Jordan School District, but it's about setting them up for a trajectory that's success across their lifetime.

Anthony Godfrey:
So it is possible to teach one class period even if you aren't a full-time teacher and coach at the same time.

Jane:
Absolutely we love that.

Anthony Godfrey:
And that's that's been a great arrangement over the years. We love to have our full-time teachers coach. Sometimes that's not possible and this allows us to get our part-time or get our coaches into the classroom at least for one period. So to recap we have a number of athletic coaching positions open, and that often comes with teaching one of the classes in the schedule. We have, we always have bus driver positions available, and we have a lot of part-time positions where you can get the kids off to school, work a part-time position during the day, and still be home when they return. You can work directly with students in special ed. We tend to have openings for classroom aides there, but we do in lots of different positions, and you would be surprised at the wide range of positions that are available within Jordan School District. And we have licensed positions right now because of some new positions the Board approved, and it's surprising how those can still pop up as we get into the beginning of the school year. So, keep your eyes peeled, hop on that website, and we're here to help when you're applying in Jordan School District.

Mike:
Absolutely.

Jane:
We appreciate it and you know you always talk about in recruiting that it takes a community to run a school district so you name a position in a community, you will find it in Jordan School District.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you very much. Thanks for your time and thanks for everything you're doing to bring great educators and great employees to Jordan.

Mike:
Thanks.

Jane:
We appreciate being here it's always an honor to be part of the podcast.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you'll do today!” We'll see you out there.

School Psychologist:
I think helping your child actively engage in opportunities to make friendships is important. School is a great setting to do that. There are also plenty of other things, right? Neighborhoods are a great thing. I did not grow up with a neighborhood of kids and so that is something I so desperately wanted.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. As we head into a new school year, many students are thinking about more than just homework and new teachers. They're wondering whether they'll make new friends and fit in. On this episode of the Supercast, we talk with a school psychologist about how to make friends, keep friends, and how parents can access the tools and information they need to help their child in the process.

Anthony Godfrey:
We're talking today with Josie about how to make friends. Josie, introduce yourself and talk to us a little bit about your background in this area.

School Psychologist:
Okay, I work at Eastlake Elementary. I'm the school's psych. I've been there. This will be my sixth year, which is actually kind of crazy. Time flies, really, for sure. And so I teach the “Making and Keeping” class at Jordan Family Ed. So usually it's on Wednesday nights.

Anthony Godfrey:
Making and Keeping Friends class.

School Psychologist:
Yes, yes, that is the title actually. And we focus mostly on exactly that, making and keeping friends. So we start with really basic skills, like physically, like what your body should look like when you're trying to have a conversation or engage another person, right? So we call them body basics in that class. We talk about things like teasing and recognizing and expressing emotions. All of those kinds of things and how those play into making and keeping friends and why they matter.

Anthony Godfrey:
And I want to talk about all of those. First of all, for those who aren't aware, let's talk about the Jordan Family Ed Center and what those classes are like and how people can access them.

School Psychologist:
Yes, so the Jordan Family Ed Center is a free resource for anyone in our community, whether you attend Jordan District or not, which we actually get quite a few students who do not, which is wonderful. And students, there are classes for students, but there's also counseling for students. So you can come in. There's usually like an intake process if you are interested in counseling for your student or child. And then they kind of just like do an interview and figure out what the concerns are with that kind of thing. And then they set you up with someone who can match like your need. The counseling classes or the counseling sessions, I should say, are just in the evenings. So after school during the week. So that's the counseling side of it. And then the classes side of it, there are different topics for different grade levels. And then again, kind of like mix based on needs and targeted kind of topics that have been identified in our District. So there's things from like drugs, there's things about making and keeping friends, there's things about emotional regulation, there are parent seminars. So parents can come in and attend things if they have concerns or want to figure out how to help their child or like parenting classes almost. So we also have those. Again, evening times, they are in fall, winter, and spring. They run for six weeks in a session. And they are taught by our school psychs and our counselors in the District. So it kind of just depends on what the kind of need is for your student or your child. And then it's just a great free resource. And so it's one of those things that is really great for us as people in our buildings in our school to say we recognize that your child might need extra support. And so here's something we can do outside of school to also provide support in addition to what we do during school hours.

Anthony Godfrey:
And help them be more successful.

School Psychologist:
For sure.

Anthony Godfrey:
There are problems, the type that you describe, the the areas in which you provide support, where the problems may seem intractable. There's nothing I can really do to make this better. And making friends might be one of those. But there really are some things you can do to improve your ability to make and keep friends. For example, or solve other problems that might seem beyond reach. So let's talk about making and keeping as you called it. So how do students starting out a new school year approach making and keeping friends? Let's talk about some of the things that you mentioned earlier.

School Psychologist:
Okay. I think, I mean, there's an age consideration here, right? Younger kids and their friendships look considerably different from older kids and their relationships, right? When we're younger, I think we're focusing or what we're looking for from other kids are things like will you share with me and will you keep your hands to yourself? Do I feel safe, right? And then as we get older, I think there's more, there's a ton more nuance with it and what that really looks like is again the safety element, but also am I emotionally safe with you? Can I share those things with you? And then the playing obviously changes and morphs as we're older into more like that imaginative play and especially like I'm in elementary, the sixth graders, the play is conversational, right? A lot of that kind of thing. And so I think for making and keeping friends, it really just depends on the age of the kid and what they need to feel safe in that relationship and to build friendships.

Anthony Godfrey:
So then that's a clue toward what you need to do to be a friend, to be someone that everyone wants to be friends with and that is if you're younger, keeping sharing and keeping your hands and feet to yourself and later it's emotionally and through the conversations that you have, making sure the other person still feels safe.

School Psychologist:
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think definitely. I think there's, there's a lot, kids sometimes feel a lot of pressure, right? Finding friends, especially when you're young, is very, can be very difficult because you might not know how or have the skills to relate to other people. You might feel uncomfortable, you might feel different, you might not feel like you fit in, and so I think helping students find themselves is really important and learning that I can be me and I can still have friends while being me, if that makes sense.

Anthony Godfrey:
So you get to be yourself and have friends, you don't have to try to say, "Okay, what do I have to mold myself into so that people will like me?"

School Psychologist:
Yes, yeah. I think there can sometimes be a little molding, right? If we're doing things the wrong way or inappropriately, right? A little learning curve there, maybe for some things, but generally people want people to be themselves and that's what they like about people.

Anthony Godfrey:
So you talked earlier about how body language can help you show that you want to be a friend. How does a student do that?

School Psychologist:
Yes, so our body basics, we call it FEVER.

Anthony Godfrey:
Body basics, FEVER.

School Psychologist:
Yes, it's an acronym for FEVER. Okay. So F stands for face the other person, right? We face our bodies specifically, usually like our shoulder and our hips towards the people that we're talking to.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay.

School Psychologist:
That shows interest in that I am noticing that you are there, right? So F, face the other person. E stands for eye contact in our culture, right? Eye contact is a sign of respect when we're listening and talking to someone and so in our class at Jordan Family Ed, we do a little trick too for students who feel uncomfortable making eye contact because we recognize that happens, right? So our little trick for eye contact is looking at the center of their forehead that you're talking to. So face the other person, eye contact. V is appropriate voice, right? So recognizing that there is an appropriate way of using my words in different settings. So that could be...

Anthony Godfrey:
So shouting, "You are now my friend. It might not work."

School Psychologist:
Probably not. Might freak someone out a little bit. Yes, so that goes tone of voice and volume of voice. Those are some things to think about as well. The second E is facial expressions. So recognizing that in reading other people's, but also using my own facial expressions to communicate effectively, right? Because it doesn't make sense if I am sad about something and telling a sad story but my face is like happy and smiling, right? So a little bit of cohesion between those two things. And then the last one is R relax. We do talk about this one and it being sometimes kind of tricky, right? Because inside I might not feel relaxed but giving the illusion that I am relaxed through my body language, right? Relax shoulders, relax stance, all those things make people feel more comfortable. And so that's kind of how we... that's what we call our body basics is FEVER.

Anthony Godfrey:
I love that. It's very concrete, something to practice. It is hard to think about the FEVE and then do the R and be relaxed while you're thinking about all the other things. But it does make sense that you that you pull... if you can pull all of that together then it's inviting for people to talk with you and and to be your friend.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back. More tips and tricks for making and keeping friends at school.

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They're out on the job in the rain, sleet, snow, ice and in the sunshine. As Jordan School District students navigate their way to and from school every day, we are truly grateful for our city crossing guards. Always vigilant and looking out for students to ensure everyone's safety. Because they work so hard protecting our kids, let's give those crossing guards a hand. If you're driving near or around schools, slow down, pay attention, watch for students and staff and follow instructions from the school crossing guards. And know our cities are always looking to hire crossing guards. If you like kids and need some flexible hours, contact your local city and apply to be a crossing guard today. Together let's make this a safe and successful school year.

Anthony Godfrey:
What are some of the other things that you've talked about? Tell me about the teasing that you focus on.

School Psychologist:
With teasing, right, I think this one kind of ties into some of that recognizing and expressing emotions, right? Especially as students are older, the teasing element can sometimes change from like, "I'm teasing you to be mean to you," from "to I'm teasing you because it's funny," right? That I'm trying to like play with you.” And so I think there's a little bit of understanding and helping students understand and problem-solve through conversation with them, right? If they are feeling like they don't understand the teasing or "why is this happening to me?" or "why is somebody being mean to me?" Well, talk to me about that, right? Tell me what that really looks like. How are they teasing you? And then let's break that down. Are they really teasing you to be mean, right? Or are they teasing you to be mean? I mean, nice, right? There's this book, Julia Cook is a, I'm from Nebraska, so Boys Town is a big medical hospital in Nebraska. Julia Cook is an author and she writes and publishes under them and she has a book called Mean Tease versus Nice Tease or something like that. And that book kind of breaks down the difference between the two and helps students recognize the difference between the two to identify it and the appropriate way to react to it. So that kind of, I think, I think teasing is a lot of conversational breakdown. Just understanding what's behind it, why it's going on, and understanding the other person's perspective of it. Because if they're teasing to be mean, what are they really trying to communicate with me? And so that's where the recognizing and expressing feelings I think comes in.

Anthony Godfrey:
So teasing could mean more than just something mean. Suddenly I understand every time I've gone golfing with people my age, the teasing makes sense now. They wanted to be my friend. It's safe enough for us to make these jokes about each other because we know that we're friends.

School Psychologist:
Yeah, yeah. And I think that's part of it is that that student has to understand that this is a safe relationship for me to do that to you.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

School Psychologist:
You know what I mean?

Anthony Godfrey:
Right. And so that, yeah. That's it. I can understand as students get older and they're transitioning into that phase where teasing might have a positive tone to it or an undertone to it, that it's difficult for kids to make that transition and understand what's happening.

School Psychologist:
Definitely. And even when there is something that if it was a mean tease, right, understanding that mean tease and then responding in a way that's appropriate. Because I have to take that situation and understand it was meant to hurt my feelings. How do I respond to that in a way that is not going to make this situation worse or make, yeah, make anything worse, right?

Anthony Godfrey:
Reward their efforts to make me feel bad.

School Psychologist:
Right. So there is some of that too of learning how to appropriately provide feedback to someone when they've made you feel a certain way. And we call those like I statements or I feel statements are really good for things like that.

Anthony Godfrey:
As an elementary school psychologist, you must deal with a lot of the ups and downs of friendships that can turn from hour to hour.

School Psychologist:
Definitely. Definitely. I see that a lot. And I, yeah, honestly for the younger students who have some of those difficulties with making and keeping friends for me and my, and this looks different for all of our school psychs, right? Because the cool part about our job is that we can kind of do what we want to do and what we feel comfortable in how we want to deliver lessons, right? Or teach things. So like I really love using books for like our younger students because I can read them a book. They're engaged with the characters and it some in some ways doesn't feel like learning, right? It feels like I'm just reading a book with someone, but we're learning about things like teasing or we're learning about things like sharing or things like that. And the older ones, when they have more self-awareness or more able to express themselves, then we're shifting more into and in my experiences, more shifting into those, the conversational stuff, right? Tell me what's going on. Let's work through this together. How are we going to fix this together kind of thing?

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me more about recognizing and expressing emotions. How do you use that as a tool to help kids make friends?

School Psychologist:
Yeah. So recognizing expressing emotions, how we use that is more, is that's kind of like the facial expressions in the body language, right? How do I read that to understand what someone might be feeling without them telling me? Because if someone is, has their arms crossed and is looking down, they're probably not receptive to having a conversation with me maybe right now, right? If they're giving off that they're upset, right? But if they are more open with their body language and they're facing me and they're making eye contact with me, that's telling me that they're more open to a conversation with me right now. So those things play into the kind of I feel or the I messages that we talked about. Are you familiar with I messages though?

Anthony Godfrey:
Let's talk about I messages.

School Psychologist:
Okay. An I message we say has three parts. So the first one is I feel. So you say I feel and you use a feeling words, right? So I feel angry when you push me. And the last part is and I want. So I feel angry when you push me and I want you to keep your hands to yourself. So an I message or an I statement that kind of have different names really clearly communicates to someone what you're feeling, why you feel that way and what you need to change, right? Or what needs to change in the situation. Nowhere in there is it saying you're mean, you're wrong, how dare you, all these things, right? It's about me. It's my internal feeling about what happened and what I am asking for to be different. And so I think giving kids tools like that, very simple, very straightforward, right? Three parts, but it gives them a way to clearly and effectively communicate those feelings when they need to in a situation because it's very easy when things get heated or when I'm sad or when I'm dysregulated, really in any way. It's really hard for anyone, even adults to communicate their feelings effectively, but giving that tool, the structure, helps them to kind of do so in a very laid out way.

Anthony Godfrey:
So it helps you process how you feel and it helps you express that in a meaningful, effective and non-accusatory way so that you can repair a relationship or avoid being mistreated.

School Psychologist:
Yes, yeah, I really like that. I think the non-accusatory is a big part of it because it's very easy when we feel those big emotions to blame, right? And to sometimes, right, for our little ones who are still learning to yell a name back or to hit even, right? And so learning to replace those things with things that are a reflection about me stating how I feel makes it easier.

Anthony Godfrey:
And if the friendly teasing turns into hurtful teasing, this would be a way to clarify and say, "I feel sad when you make fun of whatever."

School Psychologist:
Yes. "

Anthony Godfrey:
And I want you to stop making fun of me for wearing my suit everywhere I go."

School Psychologist:
Yes, perfect example of when to use that.

Anthony Godfrey:
Great.

School Psychologist:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Good, because the first example I had was, "I feel happy when I eat a hot fudge sundae and I want another one." But I think that was missing the point.

School Psychologist:
No, I don't think it is though because I think, and that's one of the things we talk about that night of that class is that it doesn't always have to be the negative emotions that we clearly communicate with. It can also be the things that I like that you're doing or the things that make me happy or the things that I'm really enjoying or make me feel silly, whatever. Those are okay things and good things to communicate too. It shouldn't just be the hard stuff.

Anthony Godfrey:
And it's a good way for you to process how you're feeling even if you're not sharing that with someone else. I think, "Okay, what's happening here with me?" Good. What advice do you have for parents who are helping their children navigate friendships or make friendships, maintain them? You know, they may be moving up to middle school or to a new school or to high school. What advice do you have for parents to help their children through that?

School Psychologist:
Yeah, I think, well, there's a lot of ways, right? I think helping your child actively engage in opportunities to make friendships is important. School is a great setting to do that. There are also plenty of other things, right? Neighborhoods are a great thing. I did not grow up with a neighborhood of kids, and so that is something I so desperately wanted when I got older. And so I think that neighborhood kids are a really cool thing that our communities, most of our communities have. And then even like clubs, anything that you can sign up for, there's all kinds of clubs or activities. Great way to meet people, not only the ones that are in your immediate community, but also the ones who are a little bit further away. Those are great ways. Other things, other tips, I think giving your student or your child the freedom to make the mistakes while making friendships because we're all going to make those mistakes and there's going to be things that happen along the way that are hard for us to see our child or our student go through, right? And so it's very easy in those moments to say, "Well, this happened to me and you should do this." And so giving them some of that more time to explore how they think they can get through this and helping them along the way. Almost like and not necessarily as like a do this, but like a what do you think? Let's do it together kind of thing. I think yeah, some of that freedom to make those mistakes and figure out really again who they are and what matters to them because also part of your friendships as you get older is what does matter to you and a friend. And we all individually I think have to figure that out. So.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I feel like at the end of this interview we're friends. Am I right?

School Psychologist:
I would say so.

Anthony Godfrey:
Absolutely. Well, thank you very much for helping us talk about how to make friends and keep them and hopefully everyone listening has lots of friends and is making even more in the coming year.

School Psychologist:
Awesome. Thank you so much.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you will do today!” We'll see you out there.