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David Bowman:
So these threats look like, yeah, hacker kids in basements all over the world. It looks like cyber criminal gangs. We even have fairly consistent attacks from nation threat actors.

Anthony Godfrey:
Let's talk about the scale of the threat.

David Bowman:
Wow, shock and awe number of about four million a day.

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. October is National Cybersecurity Awareness Month, a time to reflect on the many things we do as a school district to keep student data safe and protect employees and families from falling victim to phishing and other scams. On this episode, find out how partnering with parents and the community can make a big difference in defending against cyberattacks and reducing risks online. We're talking today with David Bowman, the Systems and Security Manager for Jordan School District. Thanks for taking some time.

David Bowman:
Yeah, absolutely.

Anthony Godfrey:
We want to talk about all things cybersecurity. First of all, is cyber like an outdated word? Is that like a Ray Bradbury word, or is that the term, cybersecurity?

David Bowman:
You know, the only other way I kind of express it now is the idea of cyberdefense.

Anthony Godfrey:
Cyberdefense, but cyber is right in there.

David Bowman:
Cyber is still the word.

Anthony Godfrey:
Cyber feels like a 50's sci-fi word, so I kind of like it though. It has a little bit of a nostalgic sound to it.

David Bowman:
It's something, it's a word in IT that hasn't changed in 30 years. That's kind of different.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, let's talk about cybersecurity. Let's talk first about student data. What do we do to protect student data? There are strict laws in place and I know that sometimes we've actually frustrated some folks because we don't give access to certain apps that refuse to follow the rules when it comes to student data privacy. I know we're very serious about that, so let's talk about exactly what we do.

David Bowman:
You know, the biggest piece of what we do that makes it more effective for us to help protect things is it's intentional. Access to student data, what it's being used for, where it's going, we don't give or share that data to anyone without an intentional evaluation of why it's needed, where it's going, and do they need all of the things they're asking for or just some of the things.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, let's make sure that we're only giving what they absolutely need for us to be able to work effectively with them.

David Bowman:
Yeah, so a good example of what that might have looked like in the past is, you know, we have a lot of folks that may offer grants or educational opportunities like a higher ed institution. Traditionally in the past years ago, we just said, "Okay, here's student records about the students participating." Now we've learned from past history of how cybersecurity incidents have taken place, and in working with our partners that want data that they actually just need to know what grade the student is in and a first and last name and that's really all they need to help them get access to that additional resource, so we don't give them all the things.

Anthony Godfrey:
So we're more thoughtful about the information that we give, first of all. I remember buying things with a credit card and the receipt would have your entire credit card number printed out on it, so you had to be careful about throwing away the receipt. When you had an email, you know, you emailed to get your password or to reset your password on a website. They just emailed you your password instead of a link to change it. So I think over the years, the amount of information we share and the way we share it has had to evolve just based on technology and what people can be up to using technology.

David Bowman:
Well, and not only that, but we have learned that as an institution with data or whatever that is, the pushback that we provide to vendor partners or other businesses on, “Listen, we don't want you to do that with our data.,” or, “No, you can't have that type of data,” that actually is what effectuates the greatest amount of change because a lot of folks won't just stop collecting data on their own. So even here at Jordan, there's a what we call a metadata dictionary that has a list of every piece of identifying information that's collected about students that are in our systems. They're indexed on the website publicly of what pieces of data are provided to what vendors or different things along those lines. Now part of that is driven by the fact that state law made that necessary, but the good news for us is that wasn't really a new process for us. So the types of things we do now are not only anytime something new is coming in we have that evaluation. But because we've done that for a long time, most of the tools that we already have in place are being effectively audited for that. So we even have internally at the District. We have a data privacy committee, so anytime a new piece of software or tools that are being used in the District come up, they have to be reviewed by the committee. So we have a data privacy officer and a data security officer and we have a data learning officer to kind of help us evaluate . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
The DLO. Yes of course.

David Bowman:
And to help us evaluate what all of those things look like.

Anthony Godfrey:
Sure well, I appreciate the efforts that everyone makes to be sure that we keep that student data protected. Let's talk about the scale of the threat of the attacks that we have on our system every day. You are an expert that's recognized throughout the state. You were presenting to the group of superintendents from throughout the state and you asked them to estimate in Jordan School District how many attacks do they think we have per day. The numbers they guessed were woefully low; they were way off. Talk about the number of attacks we have in any given day.

David Bowman:
The wow shock and awe number is about four million a day.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

David Bowman:
So when that number comes up people go, “What? Four million a day? Like, what does that look like and what does that mean?”

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

David Bowman:
That really kind of helps people understand the scope of why it takes so much for us to protect that data that we're such critical stewards over. So these threats look like, yeah, hacker kids in basements all over the world. It looks like cyber criminal gangs. We even have fairly consistent attacks from nation threat actors. These things have been constantly focused at us, at school districts. Now one of the things that, because then the follow-up question is, “Well, why a school district?”

Anthony Godfrey:
Right.

David Bowman:
What is it you know they want to have, they want to change in credit cards they don't . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
Right, you want to change in eighth grader’s English grade, you know that's not . . .

David Bowman:
Well, and you know what. In my ten years as a security person in education, I've never caught a kid trying to change their grade. Now when I was in school and the hacking movies all showed kids wanting to change their grades and that's why they would be hacked.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, when I wanted to change my grade, I just drew another leg on the F to make it into an A. That's all you did, you know.

David Bowman:
You know I wouldn't want to inadvertently disclose any private identifiable information so we maybe don't want to talk about your specific grade transcripts. But ultimately that's the biggest piece where it used to be we fought against people that had some experience or were after some individual change. Now what we fight is large groups trying to get it all at once.

Anthony Godfrey:
Get access to the system as a whole.

David Bowman:
Yeah, they want the whole thing and they want all of those records that we have, in particularly the records about our students. The fresher the data is or the least likely it is to be monitored, the more value it has. So an individual student record on, you know, the dark sides of the internet might be worth six dollars. Me, as a public school employee, is maybe worth a dollar. It's just the scale of what the value is is significantly different.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now how do we know that people have not had access to the information that we have as a district?

David Bowman:
No tool is perfect, so to say it absolutely has never happened would not be something I want you to record me saying. But we have multiple controls in place on all of the data, in particular the large repositories of data, to alert us when something shares more data than it should. So we have a monitoring tool in our Google Space is an example where, if someone were to share personally identifiable information, it actually pops up to the user and says, “Hey this is personally identifiable information. Are you sure this should be shared externally?”

Anthony Godfrey:
I think you've walked down to talk with me when I just downloaded a large file, and you know, asked me what was up and why so much was being downloaded at the same time. So I feel very confident in the tools that we have in place, just alerting us, one of those tools being you watching alerts.

David Bowman:
Well, and I would tell you the biggest piece that we have, too, that really makes a significant difference is the role that our parents and our teachers spend in this room. So yeah, we have folks that have access to lots of things and the more access you have to things, the more you get to spend time with the hacker on staff at Jordan District and get little lectures about what's going on on your computer or data.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, that hacker being you, of course.

David Bowman:
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yes that's right.

David Bowman:
You know the . . .  but even coming down to our students and our cybersecurity programs at the JATC. Like we are helping to teach our students those skills and that translates out into them helping mention to their teachers like, “Hey, is that a particularly secure idea?” Lots of times when we identify challenges or things going on, our parents are our biggest resource because they can have a conversation with their kiddo about, “Hey, what did you see about this?” or “Why are they asking this information?” But for us, one of the things we've really tried to do in Jordan is not take a punitive approach to students that are expressing a significant curiosity and the functionality of security and systems. So instead of saying, “Okay, we're expelling you because you tried to hack something.” Instead, we're able to reframe that and try to understand what were you curious about that you were trying to achieve. A couple of years ago, we had and this was the youngest kid I've ever seen it seen do it, but we had a fourth-grade student who was messing around on his Chromebook trying to play a game and he was attempting to play a game and got it to work. The teacher calls us just all flabbergasted about, like, “He's in fourth grade. What's he doing? What's going on?” We got a chance with the principal and the teacher and his parents to sit down and talk to him and he had expressed some real interest in trying to code something. You know a lot of our advanced classes around that nature aren't set up in the elementary school realm. But we talked with this student and he talked with his teacher and identified one of the things that his teacher has to do every day is send a report to the cafeteria of who needs hot lunch or cold lunch.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

David Bowman:
And so the student said, “Well, could I program something that could just send an automated email to the cafeteria to give them the lunch count?” So the teacher and the parents all worked together. We provided a controlled resource to the student and then he built the system that the whole school started using to help them send the lunch count to the cafeteria, so they knew what they needed. That's that type of intentional curiosity. We find that when we hone that and encourage that it's infinitely better for our student growth but then that carries on to our staff and to our students' homes. Ultimately, we have security folks in the District but there's 57,000 students and 7,500 staff, and almost a hundred thousand computers connected to all of the things, and we only succeed at it when we do it as a group.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. I can see that it takes everybody working together. So what are some of the things that we do to defend the District's system?

David Bowman:
One of the biggest things that we do is about having protection at every layer possible. So whether it be a Chromebook or a computer or a camera or a badge reader that is used to enter and exit the building, every one of those things we have different types of security software and controls for. The biggest way you look at this is what the principle in the security world we call it ‘defense in depth.’ The idea is there's not just one magic bullet, there's not two, there's not three. There's as many as we can put into place because if one gets broken, then we have another one, and when we look at those layers, we're always looking to bolster those up where they're the most significant. If you think about that, that number we were talking about earlier, about this idea of four million attempts a day, the attackers only have to be right once in four million. We have to be right every single time, and because of that, we spend a lot of . . . a little bit of losing sleep about it. Part of that is because of the stewardship focus of it as IT professionals in a school district. We have our kids that go to the school district. We feel that same way about our data. We have the general public who looks to us from a leadership perspective. I have aging parents and grandparents, and they're calling me and saying, “Hey, like what am I supposed to do about this cybersecurity thing?”

Anthony Godfrey:
So all of those layers are important. All of the people in place are important. It's obvious that you take it very, very seriously. Stay with us when we come back more with cybersecurity expert David Bowman.

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Anthony Godfrey:
You've talked about a culture of cybersecurity and cyber awareness, making sure that we're all very tuned in to what could go wrong and how we need to protect ourselves, and it's interesting the number of ways that people who may wish us harm or want to get information from us might try to make their way in. So tell us about some of the things that you have done to train folks to really be aware and pause and think things through. Because what I feel like is that we're on the, you know, we're online and things move fast online, and sometimes where I'm going through email, I'm going through text messages, I'm trying to do that quickly, and it can be easy to click on something that we shouldn't. So talk to me about awareness and preparing people to avoid those pitfalls.

David Bowman:
Yeah, you know you actually just used a good example word when you talked about ‘fast.’ One of the most common things that happens is we are in a hurry to do all the things that we're doing, and when we're fast or not fully thinking about it as we're going through it, that's one of the ways to easily get tripped up. So one of the phrases we try to help people remember is the idea of ‘think before you click.’

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

David Bowman:
The other thing is, then I get a lot of emails like, “Hey I think I clicked a thing, I'm not sure,” and then people feel this reluctance to be like “I clicked the thing” as if somehow they did something wrong.

Anthony Godfrey:
I bother you before I click ‘the thing.’ I will email you at all hours and say, “Can you open this in your sandbox and tell me whether this is real or fake?”

David Bowman:
Even to that statement, you would think that me, as a very specifically focused cybersecurity professional, would feel comfortable saying “Hey, I don't click on the wrong stuff.” Well, guess what? I have news for you. I do. There are no things that are always foolproof.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

David Bowman:
Things become more and more sophisticated. So what the advice we give people is really about what you do after you click something that made you go, “Okay, something felt weird here.”

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah, I guess if you're deleting something, you can delete quickly, but if you're clicking on something, you want to pause and think it through. For those who are listening and thinking, “Okay, what should I be doing differently at home? What can I do to partner with the District to make sure that data is secure or just when family members or I am online? What are some tips for me to be sure that my information is safe?”

David Bowman:
I used to use this phrase called ‘be politely paranoid.’ The cyber threats in the world have made it now so polite is not the way to do it. Just be paranoid. The good news is if it's something that really does need your attention, they're not just gonna text you or just call you or just email you. So just because it feels like urgent in the moment, and that's the one like, “Oh no, I have to respond to this because this is super important.” If it's really super important, it's not gonna be the only way you see that contact. There's two major technology principles that we've implemented within the District, but are super important for everyone. The biggest thing is using multiple methods of verifying something. So this is called 2FA or MFA. Or you're trying to log into your bank and they're like, “Okay, we're gonna text you a security code.”

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

David Bowman:
The reason for that is it's extremely easy to get portions of data based on what we have online and the more methods that are involved in doing verification make you more safe.

Anthony Godfrey:
I do want to say, I know you won't say this yourself, but I really appreciate the level of expertise that you bring personally to this. I know that when other districts or organizations have issues, you're someone that they call for additional help. You are heavily involved with a committee at the state level to try to get support from the legislature to fund additional supports because not all districts have the infrastructure that we do to provide the layers of protection that we do. I also want to shout out the Information System staff and really every staff member in the District that helps, you know, do their part to make sure that we stay safe in Jordan. David, thank you very much for taking the time to talk with me and for all the hard work that you and others in the Information Systems department do to keep us safe.

David Bowman:
Thanks.

Anthony Godfrey:
Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you will do today!” We'll see you out there.

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Jason Weimer:
He made me stand up in front of everybody at the Maverick Center and everybody was clapping.

Barry Manilow:
We have a winner here in West Valley City. Teaches at Riverton High School. Anybody?

Jason Weimer:
I was shaking in my shorts a little bit.

Barry Manilow:
Jason Weimer, Jason!

Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Could it be magic? It was something like that for an amazing Jordan School District music teacher. On this episode of the Supercast, meet Riverton High School's performing arts director, Jason Weimer. Mr. Weimer recently received the prestigious Barry Manilow Music Teacher Award for the state of Utah. The award came with a once-in-a-lifetime meet and greet with Barry Manilow himself and with Mr. Weimer being recognized in the middle of the Manilow concert at the Maverick Center. Yes, it looks like this talented teacher has made it. Listen to his incredible story

Anthony Godfrey:
We are here at Riverton High School out with the marching band talking with Jason Weimer, the director of instrumental music. Jason, introduce yourself.

Jason Weimer:
Hi, I'm Jason and I teach the sit-down bands and orchestras and AP Music Theory at Riverton High School along with Mr. Chris Jesse and Mr. Drew Holland.

Anthony Godfrey:
The sit-down bands. Tell me about how all this gets categorized.

Jason Weimer:
Well, marching band is what I like to call stand-up band. We do that outside and march around on the field and then sit-down band is the stereotypical more concert inside at night concert sort of ensemble.

Anthony Godfrey:
Stand-up, sit-down, fight, fight, fight. That's right.

Jason Weimer:
Yep, pretty much.

Anthony Godfrey:
Alright, so tell me, give us a comprehensive view of the music program, the instrumental music program overall. You mentioned some other faculty members. I think that folks who have not been in music in high school recently or haven't been involved may not realize just the scope and the range of opportunities that are available to students these days.

Jason Weimer:
So our biggest goal is to be able to meet students wherever they are in terms of what they need to get better at their instrument. So we're lucky to be able to offer three levels of orchestra and three levels of concert band and three levels of percussion ensemble and two levels of jazz band. The biggest thing that that lets us do is differentiate instruction and just sort of really cater to what the kids at each level need in order to get better. We found that that's been the best way for us to help grow the program and have happy kids playing music.

Anthony Godfrey:
You have kids entering the program, it sounds like, with varying degrees of experience with instrumental music. Some of them may be starting in middle school, some of them are starting fresh in high school, haven't picked up an instrument before, and others have played for a long time. Is that accurate?

Jason Weimer:
Oh yeah. You never know who's going to end up being your best senior or things like that, whether they start in high school as a sophomore or if they've been playing in middle school. I've had kids pick up an instrument in 10th grade for the first time and end up being some of the best players we have. Of course, kids who start learning when they're super young doing private lessons or things like that are going to generally tend to have an advantage, I guess, in terms of skill.

Anthony Godfrey:
But there's a place for everyone regardless of how well prepared you are.

Jason Weimer:
Absolutely. We'll take anybody at any skill level and do what we can to get them involved.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I love that so many options are available. We're here while everyone's setting up for marching band practice and this is, they're unloading a semi-truck. That's not an exaggeration. So tell me about what's involved every time you perform and every time you practice.

Jason Weimer:
So every time we practice, we're talking about getting 5 to 10 props in the right place, coordinating an ensemble that really in itself is three different ensembles performing together. So we have the Color Guard who does the dancing and the spinning of the flags and the rifles and stuff like that. So they have their own instructional team. We have the horn line. So that's going to be like band instruments, flutes, trumpets, things like that. They have their own instructional team. Then we have the percussion section, so drums and marimbas and things like that and they have their own instructional team. Then all of those have the visual component as well, which is the marching around the field and things like that. So you're coordinating a lot of different elements together. As you can tell from the trailer, even just stuff, we have a lot of stuff. But that's one of the best things about this activity is everybody has a responsibility that helps the team be successful, whether it's making sure the props are in the right spot or making sure the people are playing the right notes. Everyone has a thing that they need to contribute and be reliable on. Yeah, that type of responsibility is just what I've seen makes this activity so great and so appealing is everybody's starting, is on the starting team. Nobody's on the bench, so to speak. Everyone's on there the whole game.

Anthony Godfrey:
They're all very involved. You're here talking with me for the podcast after school, and everyone is just doing their thing. Everyone knows what to do. It's a well-oiled machine and everyone has a role to play. And if anyone aspires to be a roadie, I think they have some really good experience. They're ready to go.

Jason Weimer:
Yeah, for sure. They get plenty of practice at it. Everything you see the kids doing, we've practiced at some point earlier in the year, even putting repurposed cafeteria tables onto the field.

Anthony Godfrey:
I did notice that. They did seem familiar.

Jason Weimer:
They were surplus, I promise.

Anthony Godfrey:
No, I'm sure you didn't go to some elementary school and steal them. You received an award over the summer that got a lot of attention and, as you said, was pretty overwhelming. Tell folks about that.

Jason Weimer:
So it was the Barry Manilow Music Teacher Award, which, I'll be honest, I didn't even know was an award until they contacted me with the nomination.

Anthony Godfrey:
Had someone nominated you, or was it with a form that allowed you to?

Jason Weimer:
You know, it was somebody nominated me. I guess that with the venues they do concerts at, they meet with people who work at that venue and brainstorm. I'm not sure exactly how my name came up, and I haven't been able to figure out who put my name in the hat. But somebody somewhere nominated me, and I'm super grateful for that. But, I mean, the biggest thing for me is when the whole thing was happening, I hate being annoying on Facebook and social media and asking people to do things for me. So I was trying really hard not to be, you know, "Hey, make sure you vote for me today." Because the type of competition it was was one where you could vote every day once, each person could vote every day once. Then the window was so wide open that I was like, "I really don't want to be annoying." But I was super, super humbled by how much the community sort of took the reins and did that.

Anthony Godfrey:
So tell us about this award. What did it involve? I know it's money for you and for the school.

Jason Weimer:
Yeah, so normally when they did this award, they used to focus on just donations to the school. I guess this year, the past couple years, they decided to make it about the teacher and the school program. So they did a matching $5,000 donation to the school and then $5,000 for me as well.

Anthony Godfrey:
Now did they... Let me back up. So $5,000 for the school, $5,000 for you. How did you spend that money for the school? Have you spent it?

Jason Weimer:
I did spend it and we're still waiting on the equipment. So they partnered with a great company called Sweetwater. They were able to give us like at pricing basically on a lot of stuff. So a lot cheaper than we would have gotten that stuff had we just bought it by ourselves.

Anthony Godfrey:
And the $5,000 for you personally?

Jason Weimer:
Yeah, I spent that really, really fast as well. You know, I took my wife out to a nice dinner and then the rest, I shoveled into paying down my graduate loans. So...

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. So hey, that's... That feels great. That feels great and it's a related cost. That makes a lot of sense. Well, that's pretty fun. That's cool. So tell me about the concert and the experience. You also got to attend the concert and you got to meet Barry Manilow. Talk to me about that experience.

Jason Weimer:
Yeah. They were great seats, first of all, like right up in the front. Before we went out for the concert, they took us backstage for the meet and greet. I mean, it was really fast. But it's like meeting a movie star, right? Like, I mean, it's probably the most famous person I've ever met in my life. Maybe will ever meet. But I mean, he was really kind and I mean, he was really busy, so we didn't chat that much. You know, we found out we played the same instrument, which was pretty cool.

Anthony Godfrey:
You played the same instrument. Tell me about that.

Jason Weimer:
Yeah. So I played clarinet growing up. And I guess that's the instrument that he played growing up as well. So, you know, we have a little bit of shared trauma.

Anthony Godfrey:
Clarinet trauma. Clarinet people. The clarinet brings people together.

Jason Weimer:
The clarinet players know about the clarinet trauma.

Anthony Godfrey:
So that's cool. That's exciting. And when he handed you the check, did he say, “This one's for you?”

Jason Weimer:
I you know, I think he dropped the ball on that one. He should have he should have done that. Right.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

Jason Weimer:
But, but yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
No musical references?

Jason Weimer:
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Anthony Godfrey:
It's really sad for me. I was out of town. I wanted to be there, first of all, to see you get honored like this. But I'm also a Fanilow, a big Barry Manilow fan. I've had his stuff. I bought it when I was 13. I bought Manilow Magic, the K-Tel collection. So I've been a fan for a long time and I wanted to tell him that. But it sounds like he would have been pretty busy and pretty fast in and out of the room anyway. But I was living through you because I really would have loved to meet Barry Manilow. That sounds like a really cool experience. How did it feel for you to be recognized that way?

Jason Weimer:
It was really overwhelming. I don't like public attention generally. But you know, there was a part where he made me stand up in front of everybody at the Maverick Center and everybody was clapping. And, you know, I was shaking in my shorts a little bit. But afterwards, it was pretty cool. As I was leaving, a lot of people came up and they're like, “Hey, I just want you to know, like, I had a really great music teacher. I appreciate what you're doing.” I even ran into parents of two students that I had 10 years ago when I started that just happened to be at the Barry Manilow concert, too. They came and found me afterwards to just — you know, and I got to catch up with them for a little bit. So that was that was awesome.

Anthony Godfrey:
That's so awesome. I love that. That must have been a great feeling. What was fun for me is that I received a few texts from people who were at the concert who filmed it.

Jason Weimer:
Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Then would text it to me and say, did you know this about your teacher who won this award? And they were all really cheering for you. So I got to see that footage of what happened, of him having you stand up and the spotlight and everything.

Barry Manilow:
We're going to celebrate the music teacher, so we created a contest. Each city that we go to, the students vote for their favorite music teacher and we have a winner here in West Valley City.

Barry Manilow:
Let me tell you a little bit about him. He teaches at Riverton High School. Anybody?

Barry Manilow:
He’s been teaching for twelve years, and he teaches intermediate and advanced bands, three levels of string orchestra, marching band, full symphony and music theory. He’s a busy boy, eh?

Barry Manilow:
And I love his quote. The quote is “I love seeing my students' passion and watching them fall in love with making music.” Go Jason, go!

Barry Manilow:
All right. Stop. Our winner here in West Valley City is Jason Weimer! Jason!

Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back. Hear what band students have to say about Mr. Weimer and his unofficial induction into the International Barry Manilow Fan Club.

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Anthony Godfrey:
So just tell me, I always like to ask this, what would you say to parents of students who are maybe thinking about whether they ought to be involved in color guard or marching band or any instrumental music, whether here at Riverton or elsewhere. What are the benefits? Why should they consider that?

Jason Weimer:
You know, and I've said this a lot, is most of these kids won't major in music, but most of the benefits to being in a music ensemble are not musical benefits. So cooperation, how to work with other people towards a common goal, how to compromise, how to support your friends and your peers or invest in somebody else's success. Like those are in my mind are things we need a lot of now. And, you know, this activity just is full of that sort of stuff. I could I could go on and on and on and on and on about the positives of just those sort of ‘A. musical things.’ But honestly, like just hang out, hang out with some band kids, hang out with some orchestra kids at some point. Those are the kids who are like cleaning up after themselves and other people at school. Those are the kids who are like helping each other and, you know, and really watching out for each other. I think that that's not necessarily, you know, I think that that's because of their involvement in that activity.

Anthony Godfrey:
I agree. There are a ton of benefits and I like how you deem them to be ‘A. musical benefits.’ Like it goes well beyond music and their lessons that last forever. I also love that we have a soundtrack to our interview. We've got the marimbas going in the background and many other instruments as well. Sounds fantastic. And I went to the state competition couple years in a row. It's not just the students, but the parents. It's a very social for parents. It's a great connect. You become part of a community. Well, thank you so much for everything that you're doing for these kids. It's such an important experience for them. And I know your program is huge because of the great environment that you provide for students and the wonderful experiences they have when they're part of your program. So thanks to you and the other teachers involved here at Riverton and keep up the great work.

Jason Weimer:
Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:
And good luck at state. We're talking now with two students who are in the program. Tell me your name, grade and what you play.

Elizabeth Fisher:
I'm Elizabeth Fisher. I'm a junior in high school and I'm the drum major.

Josh Sieverts:
I'm Josh Sieverts. I am a senior. I play clarinet.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me about playing the clarinet. Your teacher also played the clarinet when he was in high school. He talked about the shared trauma of clarinet players. Talk to me about playing the clarinet.

Josh Sieverts:
Well, clarinet is definitely the best instrument. Up for debate, but not if you're right. There's so many squeaks, especially when you're learning. There's like these high pitch screams and they are so annoying. It's like learning the recorder in elementary school.

Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.

Josh Sieverts:
One of those instruments your parents want you to play outside or in the basement. But then you start getting really good and it sounds really good.

Anthony Godfrey:
It sounds really cool. And does it come apart? Does it have like these, is it in three pieces or two?

Josh Sieverts:
Yeah. So you have your bell, you have your lower joint, which has the bottom hand of keys. The upper joint, which has the top hand of keys, your barrel, your mouthpiece, your ligature, which holds on your reed and then your reed, which is what makes the noise.

Anthony Godfrey:
I was going to say ligature. I'm glad that you stepped in with that. So now what do you like about playing the clarinet?

Josh Sieverts:
So I started playing it just because none of my family did, because I have a musical family. But then when I started playing it, it's like the perfect instrument for me because I love playing melody because I love being the most important.

Anthony Godfrey:
Right.

Josh Sieverts:
Well, then I also love harmonies because I love how they blend and clarinet is right in the middle. So you get to do both.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, wow.

Josh Sieverts:
So it's my favorite.

Anthony Godfrey:
That’s great. Do you plan on continuing to play after high school?

Josh Sieverts:
Yeah. So I plan on going to college for music education, actually.

Anthony Godfrey:
Outstanding. So you can come back and work in Jordan District.

Josh Sieverts:
Oh, yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:
Fantastic. All right. Now tell me about your instrument. You are a drum major. So does that start out with being a major or with playing the drums?

Elizabeth Fisher:
Well, that just means I conduct the band. So I don't play the drums, but I play other instruments. Basically, I just keep time and hope that everybody stays with me and my co-partner, the other drum major.

Anthony Godfrey:
Oh, so there are two drum majors.

Elizabeth Fisher:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
They're not the drum minor.

Elizabeth Fisher:
No, no. I'm technically the junior drum major, but we're both kind of equal, I guess.

Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. Would she say that too? Or would she say that you're not even?

Elizabeth Fisher:
I'm not completely sure, but  . . .

Anthony Godfrey:
I'm not trying to create drum major drama here. I'm just trying to understand.

Elizabeth Fisher:
Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
So as a drum major who does not play the drums, what do you do? You have to stand up on that precipice, up on that platform.

Elizabeth Fisher:
Yes. Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:
Tell me what is it like to be in Mr. Weimer's program? So he won an award. It seems like he's pretty awesome.

Josh Sieverts:
Yes. So I'd say he's the best band teacher because lots of band teachers are super strict and it's all about being perfect. And it's never talking. It's always just quiet and you're listening and attentive. He does that, but he makes it fun. So like, we can have a great time. Like sometimes we'll just get a pizza because we can. We'll just have a party during class.

Anthony Godfrey:
How about for you?

Elizabeth Fisher:
Yeah, basically the same thing. He has a really good balance of finding fun and being productive together. He's just a really cool guy in my opinion. I've had different situations where he's just like super friendly, super caring. He's inspired me to want to become a band teacher when I'm older. So I feel like that's like the best compliment someone can receive is just like — he's just so inspiring to me and I want to be like him when I grow up.

Anthony Godfrey:
Well, there's not a better compliment than that. That's fantastic. So you both want to be music teachers. What is, if you had to name one thing, what's the best thing you've learned from Mr. Weiner?

Josh Sieverts:
Honestly, how to play clarinet because I played for three years before I came here and I thought I was better than I was. I could hardly play it and then within like two months of having him as a teacher, I had excelled dramatically.

Anthony Godfrey:
I love that. How about for you?

Elizabeth Fisher:
I feel like just teaching me how to be like a really good person. He's an awesome person and he makes sure that we know how to treat people correctly. You know, we're teenagers. We're still trying to figure out our lives and who we are and just making sure that everybody around us is okay with us being around them and making sure that we're always grateful and just ready to be good people. I think that's something I've learned from him.

Anthony Godfrey:
Wow. What an incredible combination! The technical skills and learning just to be a better all-around person. What more could you ask for? So thanks for being such an important part of the band and I'm excited to see your performances coming up. So keep up the great work. Thank you for joining us on another episode of the supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you will do today!” We'll see you out there.

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