Teachers in Jordan School District are transforming their classrooms with more personalized, efficient, and engaging lessons than ever before, thanks in part, to the use of SchoolAI.
On this episode of the Supercast, we take you inside an amazing classroom at Valley High School. It’s where students are thriving and the classroom experience more dynamic thanks to a teacher who is diving in, using SchoolAI to reach and teach students in a way that is elevating the educational experience for everyone.
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Graham Bany:
The more students know that you are willing to use AI to support them, even if you don't know what the subject is, we can use SchoolAI Spaces, the chatbots, to help create these tutors for the kids. School's supposed to be fun I'm not supposed to be bored here all day.
Anthony Godfrey:
It should be fun, absolutely.
Anthony Godfrey:
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. Teachers in Jordan School District are transforming their classrooms with more personalized, efficient, and engaging lessons than ever before, thanks in part to the use of SchoolAI. On this episode of the Supercast, we take you inside an amazing classroom at Valley High School. It's where students are thriving, and the classroom experience is more dynamic, thanks to a teacher who is diving in, using SchoolAI to reach and teach students in a way that is elevating the educational experience for everyone.
Anthony Godfrey:
We're here at Valley High School with one of the teachers in the District who has used AI earliest and most often. Graham, go ahead and introduce yourself.
Graham Bany:
Yeah, so I'm Graham Bany. I'm an English Language Arts teacher at Valley High School. I also do digital coaching and my co-teacher Rachel and I are over the school newspaper, which we've kind of reimagined in kind of a digital form. It's a little less formal, a little bit more creative. I'm going to do a lot of fun things here at Valley.
Anthony Godfrey:
For those who don't know Valley High School, explain what Valley High School is all about.
Graham Bany:
Valley High School is the best school to go to. It is an alternative high school and alternative is often viewed as a pejorative. Alternative in this sense just means different. We have smaller class sizes. We have more deep and meaningful relationships with students. We take the time to understand every kid, every situation, every story. We are given the opportunity to try things in different ways that may be better for students. It's an incredible building that is a playground of creativity and innovation with the main goal to support students who have not been as successful in buildings where they have previously been and to try to push them towards their most successful and fruitful lives, whether that is in formal education, whether that is a trade school, or whether that's just going out and being the best version of themselves that they can be.
Anthony Godfrey:
Very well said. And there's an incredible collection of very dedicated educators here at Valley. And like you said, I like the way you put that. It's an alternative. It's a choice. What are the alternatives? This is one of those choices, and for students, this becomes the right choice for a wide variety of reasons. People might have ideas about what reasons they think kids have for coming here, there are many, many more than what you might imagine.
Graham Bany:
Honestly, my favorite are the burned-out honors kids that just need someone that's going to challenge them and remind them that it's okay to not be entirely as perfect as they felt they've had to be or the kids that are just looking for a second chance and want a teacher who knows nothing about them. It's just the beautiful opportunity to welcome every kid every day and create meaningful learning environments and opportunities to just support them.
Anthony Godfrey:
You get to redefine yourself when you come to Valley.
Graham Bany:
Everyone. Teachers, students, this is a beautiful, beautiful place, and it is the only place that I want to be.
Anthony Godfrey:
Well, I'm very proud of what happens here. It's just incredible results in graduation rates beyond conventional high schools elsewhere in Utah. So lots of great results beyond just the relationships and the support that really honestly lasts a lifetime because of the impact that teachers have on students here.
Graham Bany:
It would not be without the support of the District and you that allows us to do the amazing things that we do. We get to do this because it is needed and it is supported because it is successful and good.
Anthony Godfrey:
It's an easy place to support that way. So let's talk about your journey with AI. You started with AI before we adopted SchoolAI as an entire district. You were dabbling already because, as you just demonstrated, you are focused on your kids being successful, and you wanted your students to have every opportunity that others do. You were also feeling a little bit overwhelmed at teaching at that point. Is that fair to say?
Graham Bany:
Yeah, I think burnout is a part of the story. We cannot ignore that teacher burnout is one of the most common experiences in education. Between years three and five, the majority of teachers leave the profession. So I was at the end of year three and I had switched from a different school over to here, and I was picking myself back together as a teacher. It is hard to admit that sometimes, no matter how much we love the job, no matter how great we are at the job, no matter how perfect everything goes, that it is exhausting and it is difficult and it is a grind. So AI kind of started--AI has been around for a long time, but this iteration of generative AI where students started using it and we started noticing that uptick in cheating, is really when it started to pick up on my attention. So I had students--we read--it was EpiCac by Kurt Vonnegut where a computer falls in love with someone and I had my students use ChatGPT to write a love poem. So they were using it. I had no idea what things were and tried that. I was like, "Oh, this is kind of clever. It's creating interesting things. I think I can use this for lesson planning." And I was a tired teacher who had agreed to teach summer school and I had a two-week unit that I had not prepped or planned for. So I quietly, late at night, stayed up trying to figure out how to use to help me prepare the materials I had and create my objectives. I used it as a lesson planning partner for the very first time and summer school was much easier than it had been in the past. So it kind of got easier. Then I went to these coaching meetings where I get harassed by Teaching and Learning into using a fun new tool and they lovingly took my hand and guided me towards SchoolAI. I had never met any of them, but it was just the friendship and the collaboration that they brought to these different things that were going on in the District that really gave me the opportunity to try things, test things out.
Anthony Godfrey:
When you hear people talk about AI in the classroom, that it will create more distance between teacher and student because you've got now artificial intelligence doing everyone's work, in fact, it sets aside the menial task that is-- the menial tasks associated with teaching and learning — and allows you to really connect in a more personalized way. Would you agree with that?
Graham Bany:
Yeah. I mean, mathematically, like, we don't have to be upset and think, "I can't do everything for a student." When I have 100-plus students in my classrooms a day and I'm supposed to be providing them meaningful feedback, which is the greatest way to support them and help them. What kind of feedback can I give a kid if I'm limited to, "I got two minutes per kid and I better have the same brain power for every kid all day from 9 a.m. until when I'm done?" It doesn't happen and we can't expect that and then if we want to do that meaningful feedback, we're taking it home. So using AI in these places to accelerate these things that we're doing, still verifying everything that we are using and using it in a way to help us be as effective as possible to the most amount of students while still maintaining our own life and humanity, because the happier the teacher is, the better the classroom feels. If you're not spending your Saturday grading, you're going to come back to the class so much more refreshed and ready to go which brings you back together with them.
Anthony Godfrey:
But the same is true for students. If the menial task is set aside and the engaging, creative, personalized tasks are all that you have left, then learning becomes much more exciting than it might be otherwise.
Graham Bany:
When we have these things that are new, unique, creative, that we can find use cases for that the students have no clue could be a thing. We excite them, we engage them, we feed their hunger and curiosity. We can make it fun, right? School's supposed to be fun. I'm not supposed to be bored here all day.
Anthony Godfrey:
It should be fun. It should be fun, absolutely. So you mentioned earlier this question of cheating. When people talk about AI and cheating, what do you say in response?
Graham Bany:
People have always cheated. Always. I remember in high school, one of my buddies was using his older sister's current events that she had saved, like the write-ups that she had done, and he would bring them into class. The teacher wouldn't read them, so no one cared, and it was fine. Cheating's always happened. Cheating will always happen. It's just more convenient for the students to generate slop that they then pass off as their own. But cheating is cheating, and you can address it in any number of ways. But the whole goal should be finding a way to get the kid excited and engage them in the task, but also keeping that openness about it happening. We're not dumb. We know what AI writing sounds like. I don't know if at the District level you all have seen AI resumes or cover letters.
Anthony Godfrey:
It starts with "How are you doing?" and then there are "M" dashes all throughout it.
Graham Bany:
The "M" dash is crazy. I got an English degree, and I know how to use them, but I don't even like using them. So when I see a kid use one, or I've never seen you use a complete sentence, every sentence, for an entire page, something's the matter. The solution to cheating is engagement. That's always been the question in education. How do we engage our students? How do we get them excited to come to class? How do we keep them excited while they're in class? We're moving phones out of their hands. We are trying to be as engaged constantly in whichever ways and whichever approaches, but in a lot of ways, if you know the kid and you understand how they write and you understand how they sound, you can catch the cheating. It creates that opportunity for a conversation and connection, which you can maybe figure out why they want to do that. When you find out the "why," you can actually address the problem. To be honest, I don't think kids cheat other than something is not fun to do, but usually they're cheating because they don't understand. When you can figure out why they don't understand and teach them and show them you care enough about them, maybe they'll come to you and ask next time, and maybe it's just never actually going to be a problem again.
Anthony Godfrey:
Sometimes it's AI that creates the space that allows you to do that and to have that connection because so much has already been taken care of.
Graham Bany:
The more students know that you are willing to use AI to support them, even if you don't know what the subject is, we can use SchoolAI Spaces, the chatbots, to help create these tutors for the kids.
Anthony Godfrey:
Stay with us when we come back. More with Graham Bany and SchoolAI.
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Anthony Godfrey:
When you talked about your journey with SchoolAI and with AI generally, you were one of the early superusers that first summer who really helped shape what SchoolAI is doing across the country at this point.
Graham Bany:
Internationally.
Anthony Godfrey:
Yes.
Graham Bany:
Yeah. They're all around the world.
Anthony Godfrey:
They are. So it was your input and the input of a hundred other educators in Jordan that really helped shape things because you're saying, "Hey, well, what about this? Can AI do this? Can SchoolAI help us accomplish this?" It really was exciting to watch how quickly it took off in Jordan and how, as you indicated, how far and wide SchoolAI has taken off as well. Let's talk about some of the tools that have sparked your interest lately and some of the things that you're able to do. Let's talk about concretely how it helps you as a teacher and how it helps your students in class.
Graham Bany:
So when it comes to AI in the classroom, there's two basic ways that I think we can look at it: Teacher-centered and student-centered. So the teacher-centered is going to be these different AI tools that we can use or the different ways we can use the tools to accomplish what we're trying to. So in the course of a week as a teacher, I'm using AI to help me go through my weekly planning. I'm using it to help me organize my to-do list and maybe kind of set things up in a way that's a little bit more accomplishable. I'm using the built-in AI tools and different software to help quickly generate from my lecture notes slides that I'm going to be using in Canva. All sorts of different things. Whether we're doing lesson plans, I'm creating word banks, I'm using it to adapt assignments to the different WIDA levels of students in my classroom so that I can make sure every student has an engaging activity or assignment that is actually at their level and challenging them.
Anthony Godfrey:
Explain to folks what WIDA scores mean.
Graham Bany:
WIDA scores are essentially just a measurement of the student's current ability with their language. So if we have a student that is a multilingual student, being able to use AI to maybe adapt for a specific low reading ability, which as they're developing their reading ability in multiple languages, right? They're a super smart kid, but maybe they just need things to be at a different way or maybe they need supports for what they're reading, like a word bank. And for us to sit down and do that, maybe that takes 15 minutes and that's a worthwhile use of our time. With AI, we can do that maybe 15 seconds and have a support for the student that is appropriate to their level that allows them to engage in the classroom activity or reading or assignment in the same way as the rest of their peers. When we know what we're doing and we know what we need to do and we know how we can do it well and quickly, job becomes fun again.
Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah. Well said. Absolutely. So let's look at some of these tools that you're using lately.
Graham Bany:
Okay. So this first one, we came up with this last year. So what we did on SchoolAI with Spaces, these would be their custom chatbots, we can custom-program them to do whatever we want them to do.
Anthony Godfrey:
Custom Spaces, describe Spaces for those who aren't familiar.
Anthony Godfrey:
Spaces essentially is a chatbot that is running through the SchoolAI filter which is built to be appropriate for students and to be kind of centered more towards these educational goals. So teachers go in, they write a prompt and the prompt is not coding, the prompt is really strong creative writing skills explaining exactly how you want the experience to go.
Anthony Godfrey:
Right.
Graham Bany:
And then we tested a bunch of times to make sure that even our most engaged students aren't breaking it.
Anthony Godfrey:
Yeah.
Graham Bany:
And we use it with the kids. So this would be where we are at student centered. So instead of just teacher centered, this would be the thing that is student facing only.
Anthony Godfrey:
Spaces allows you to do almost like a ‘choose your own adventure’ sort of experience where you're put into the Revolutionary War or on an expedition with Lewis and Clark and you're interacting with you're interacting with SchoolAI in a way that creates a personalized adventure and experience.
Graham Bany:
Exactly. So I went to our school librarian and I had Tierca export from the library catalog, the list of the most frequently checked out books and the entire library catalog. So this is a bot that is set up with PDFs. So I uploaded those PDFs and it has basic prompting to engage the students in helping them try to find a book. So me the librarian or me and the other adults in there may not always know everything or may not always have all the free time to sit and help a kid pick a book, especially when we're in there. So they have the option where they could scan a QR code, pull this up and go through books by any sort of way that they would like to.
Anthony Godfrey:
And limited to the books in the library. What a great idea. So it's right there on the shelf if they once they find a book that they're looking for. Let's try it out. Can we launch it here?
Graham Bany:
Yeah. So if you just go into send a message right there. It is set up with summaries of each of the books. so it has a basic understanding about what's going on.
Anthony Godfrey:
So I just chose books similar to the ones you like. Tell me a book you like and I'll suggest similar titles from our library. All right. I'm going to try The Pigman. That's a book from the 60s. Let's see if they . . . Here are some books from the library. They're similar to The Pigman focusing on teen life, friendship and real-world struggles. The Outsiders is a great match for that. Winter Girls: Leah Struggles with Loss. Boy 21: Basketball and friendship help two boys cope with grief and change in their lives.
Graham Bany:
Wow.
Anthony Godfrey:
Okay. I want to read all of these books. That's pretty awesome.
Graham Bany:
So our librarian then took these as a basis and started building different experiences with the chatbots. So it would be like a murder mystery where the kids were going around finding different books. So we've kind of used these as a basis that kind of sets off other people's creativity and so she's used them to do different sorts of activities with students in the library.
Anthony Godfrey:
What has the reaction been from your students as they have had the opportunity to use AI to enhance their learning?
Graham Bany:
Like any good thing, we can overuse it. We can overdo anything.
Anthony Godfrey:
Right.
Graham Bany:
There have been times where we've done it multiple days in a row where they want to break. And I think that's a true testament of what's kind of going on in our world. The kids want to be disconnected more. So I think AI used in very controlled doses, very intentional moments, is very beneficial. Just like Shakespeare, bad Shakespeare happens to everyone. Right. Bad AI can happen to everyone. Good AI is possible and we have to be very selective of the moments. I like to use within myself, if there is a better way to do something, I'm going to try to go that way. So if I can think of a better way to do this that doesn't involve AI, maybe I'm going to go with that.
Anthony Godfrey:
I love how intentional you are about that, being very aware of where the kids are, how they're feeling about things and AI isn't the only way to get things done, but it's an additional way. Like you said, it's an alternative. It's another option. It's another way of doing things. You could have the best meal in your life and if that's the only meal you were able to have for the rest of your life, it would become a terrible meal. The same is true with AI, but it's also true with things that we have traditionally done in the classroom and not been intentional or thoughtful about evaluating.
Graham Bany:
We need a nice variety. So the more that we are critical of ourselves and not overdoing something, and the more that we are engaging with our students and understanding where they're at, because if they really like something and say, “Hey, we should do more of that,” then we do more of that. When I ask my kids, “Hey, how do we feel about this?” And they're like, “Eh,” then maybe we take a couple weeks off and circle back with something different, or I try to find something that's really ridiculous that we can try.
Anthony Godfrey:
I continue to watch as you become an influence and a positive impact on helping shape SchoolAI right from the start, but helping inspire teachers to really engage, try new things, and be at their best for students. I just can't thank you enough for everything you do for students and for the people around you.
Graham Bany:
Thank you for providing a culture within the school district that allows people like me to take chances, to be creative, to have the opportunity to fail and learn and re-approach. It really would not happen without the kindness, the leadership, and the dedication to curiosity that our district has.
Anthony Godfrey:
Thank you. Thank you. There are a lot of great people doing a lot of wonderful things here, and you are one of the great examples of that. So thank you. Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, “Education is the most important thing you'll do today!” We'll see you out there.